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Post by Margaret » Wed July 21st, 2010, 11:08 pm

Take it down fast, Margaret, before he gets a sale!
Oh, yeah - it came down a lot faster than it went up!
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Post by Spears II » Mon August 9th, 2010, 12:44 am

I think one trap that many self-published authors fall into is simply having a lack of patience. They forget that at the end of the day the literature has to stand or fall on its own merit and this takes time. It is hard for some to accept this fact. I speak as someone who is trying to market a self-published book written by my wife. It has been out for over a year and only now are we slowly building some momentum. We have done this mostly through reviews from bloggers who have been kind enough to take a chance on us. Sites like Historically Obsessed, Historical Tapestry, Margaret’s own site, and others have helped us find readers by giving fare and honest reviews. This all takes time. I think many people want short cuts and see spam as the best way to reach as many people as possible. I myself have made more than one mistake learning to find readers, but I always try to remember patience is a virtue not an obstacle to selling good fiction.

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Post by Michy » Wed August 11th, 2010, 2:22 pm

[quote=""MLE""]Amazon uses POD for the vast majority of the books it lists[/quote]

This perhaps explains what happens to me occasionally when I order from Amazon, such as recently..... I ordered a couple of items (a book and a CD) that were listed as being "in stock", and yet they're not going to ship to me for 6 weeks ? :confused: The book is a Georgette Heyer that's undoubtedly not in big demand, so I guess I'm just being forced to wait until they do another POD run..... No biggie, it's not like I don't have anything else to read in the meantime! :D

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Post by MLE (Emily Cotton) » Wed August 11th, 2010, 4:10 pm

[quote=""Michy""]This perhaps explains what happens to me occasionally when I order from Amazon, such as recently..... I ordered a couple of items (a book and a CD) that were listed as being "in stock", and yet they're not going to ship to me for 6 weeks ? :confused: The book is a Georgette Heyer that's undoubtedly not in big demand, so I guess I'm just being forced to wait until they do another POD run..... No biggie, it's not like I don't have anything else to read in the meantime! :D [/quote]

Actually, 'in stock' is what Amazon says about everything. I discontinued a Basic Llama Care book, and it remained 'in stock' for years. Finally somebody ordered one, and that's when they noticed and took it down.

In actual fact, a POD book that really is in the catalog is printed within 24 hours of the time lightningsource's website gets the order (almost instantaneous from whatever online site it was ordered from) and shipped to the customer within 48 hours. Although Baker & Taylor are now trying to cut into Lightningsource's virtual monopoly by leveraging their warehouse system. We shall see.

What especially amused me is how many 'used' copies are simply new ones ordered from the same Ingram Catalog by a retailer willing to take a little less profit.

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Post by fljustice » Wed August 11th, 2010, 4:23 pm

[quote=""Michy""]This perhaps explains what happens to me occasionally when I order from Amazon, such as recently..... I ordered a couple of items (a book and a CD) that were listed as being "in stock", and yet they're not going to ship to me for 6 weeks ? :confused: The book is a Georgette Heyer that's undoubtedly not in big demand, so I guess I'm just being forced to wait until they do another POD run..... No biggie, it's not like I don't have anything else to read in the meantime! :D [/quote]

Actually POD - print on demand - should mean they can print it as soon as they get the order and send it on. The books are stored (in stock) as digital files and a fancy machine will print and bind it immediately. Because it's not offset, it costs the same per copy to print one or a thousand. Here's a video of the Expresso POD machine making a book--pretty fascinating. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q946sfGLxm4 If it's going to take six weeks, they're either really backed up on orders or they have to dig it out of a warehouse! ;)
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Post by Michy » Wed August 11th, 2010, 6:00 pm

These two items are grouped with a third that is on pre-order, to be released September 20th. Although, even that doesn't totally explain it. Because I had a fourth item in the order, also a pre-order, which is set to release September 5. So if they're just waiting to ship my "in stock" items with a pre-ordered item (because I chose free Super Saver shipping), why didn't they group them with the pre-order item with the earliest release?

Oh, well, like I said, it's not like I'm desperate for these things. It just doesn't make sense to me.... Unless, like Faith said, they have to dig my "in stock" items out of a warehouse in Timbuktu, or something. :p

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Post by N. Gemini Sasson » Wed August 11th, 2010, 11:01 pm

[quote=""fljustice""]Here's a video of the Expresso POD machine making a book--pretty fascinating. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q946sfGLxm4 [/quote]

Oh neat! Thanks, Faith. I hadn't seen one in action yet.

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