A reminder of what's at stake tomorrow!

cw gortner · Post by **cw gortner** » Tue November 4th, 2008, 6:57 am

I agree. Field trips should be reserved for educational activities. Actually, just tonight on the news the parents of those children spoke out against the Yes on Prop 8 campaign, saying the film clips were used out of context. But still, it gave the Yes on 8 proponents invaluable ammunition.

The news also said this is the most hotly contested, expensive social campaign to ever be on the ballot. It's very tight right now, with the Yes on 8 campaign outspending the No 2 to 1. Tonight at home, we got 2 separate robo-calls urging us to vote no. No calls came urging us to vote yes, though we got a Bill Clinton robo-call two days ago urging us to vote no on 8.

I'm not very confident it will be defeated; even in California, there is a lot of religious fundamentalism that feels very threatened by the "redefining" of marriage, but I have hope that perhaps in the end the rights all Americans should enjoy will win out.

Alaric · Post by **Alaric** » Tue November 4th, 2008, 10:49 am

[quote=""cw gortner""]What astonishes me is how people in Spain barely reacted to the legalization of gay marriage; it was almost a non-event, while here it's become this huge thing. Like we don't have far bigger problems to worry about, like the planet warming up, for example![/quote]

I'm quite surprised by that, I had no idea they were so blase to gay marriage. To think this is the same country that has such terrible problems with racism as well. Quite baffling!

Volgadon · Post by **Volgadon** » Tue November 4th, 2008, 12:09 pm

[quote=""Telynor""]I've always held that if you don't vote, you're saying that you like things the way they are, and don't complain if you don't like what you get. It's one of the few rights we have left here in the US, and I always tend to keep a close eye on my local officials and ballot measures.

This year has certainly been a potboiler! I have never seen such controversy and debate, but at least it is getting the people into the voting booths. And today I found an excellent resource on line if you're not sure of where to vote in your local precinct and the times when the voting is open. Go to http://www.vote411.org and punch in your address, and voila! all of the information comes up.

On the downside, I am suffering badly from election fatigue and not getting much done. I feel very badly for Senator Obama and his family, what with his grandmother passing away today -- what horrible timing! But I can imagine how proud she must be for her grandson.[/quote]

Or in some cases I don't think either candidate deserves my vote.

Ash · Post by **Ash** » Tue November 4th, 2008, 1:49 pm

[quote=""Rowan""]I will not be voting this year. This whole thing is a joke and I no longer feel that anything I "say" politically speaking matters.[/quote]

I so don't understand this point of view. This is the most important election in memory, so much is at stake; we all have a say. To sit home and not take part is throwing away a right that you have as an American citizen, a right you have to change what is happening nationally as well as locally. Just doesn't make sense to me

That being said, my dad used to take me to the polls when I was very little, and I got my activitsm from him. So I suspect much of that attitude comes from how important voting was to ones family.

We have our own 'prop 8' here, called Prop 102. They tried this last time but it failed miserably because it would have denied benefits to any unmarried couple, gay or straight. This time,it only says 'marriage is between a man and a woman'. The signs are in almost every yard in this community. I suspect it will pass, sadly. And because its going to be in our constitution, it will be very very hard to then allow gay marriages. Gack, don't these people have something more important to do?

KingEricCantona7 · Post by **KingEricCantona7** » Tue November 4th, 2008, 5:04 pm

I went and voted last Wednesday. I'll be happy when all this is through so I don't ever have to hear about joe the plumber ever again.

Rowan · Post by **Rowan** » Tue November 4th, 2008, 5:39 pm

I agree 100% that because I'm not voting I cannot complain about whoever wins, although just because I'm not voting doesn't mean there's not one candidate I'd favour over another. What I can and will definitely do is create a file of all that the candidates say they will do and keep tabs on it. If I feel he's done enough of what he said he'd do, then I will vote again next time.

As for the more local elections, Louisiana is a corrupt joke. Plain and simple. When William Jefferson is up for re-election yet again despite his legal troubles, it's a joke.

boswellbaxter · Post by **boswellbaxter** » Tue November 4th, 2008, 5:43 pm

[quote=""KingEricCantona7""]I went and voted last Wednesday. I'll be happy when all this is through so I don't ever have to hear about joe the plumber ever again.[/quote]

I wouldn't count on it. I think he's got plans to write a book.

I wouldn't mind him so much if he actually had a plumbing license, but I suppose "Joe the Unlicensed Plumber" isn't as catchy.

LCW · Post by **LCW** » Tue November 4th, 2008, 6:40 pm

[quote=""KingEricCantona7""] I'll be happy when all this is through so I don't ever have to hear about joe the plumber ever again.[/quote]

Ugh! I'm so with you there! That guy is a disgrace to hardworking white American men! He's ignorant! But what's worse is that he's an arrogant ignorant who is too stupid to know that there's a lot that he doesn't know. The desperately flailing McCain campaign has insulted every American by pushing this guy on the country. Do they really think Americans are that stupid???

KingEricCantona7 · Post by **KingEricCantona7** » Tue November 4th, 2008, 7:51 pm

[quote=""LCW""]Do they really think Americans are that stupid???[/quote]
We are a country that has people trying to jump through a hole in a wall on the telly so I can see where they can make that assumption. With each passing year I see this country turing into the America that is in the movie Idiocracy. I hope that gay marriage isn't banned in California. It is my belief that gay couples have every right to be as miserable in marraige as their straight counterparts!

Ash · Post by **Ash** » Tue November 4th, 2008, 9:06 pm

[quote=""Rowan""]
As for the more local elections, Louisiana is a corrupt joke. Plain and simple. When William Jefferson is up for re-election yet again despite his legal troubles, it's a joke.[/quote]

Ouch. Yep you are not kidding there. BTW how in blazes did the NOLA mayor get re-elected after his behavior during Katrina?