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Who do you think did in the princes in the tower?

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Post by boswellbaxter » Mon February 1st, 2010, 5:03 pm

[quote=""Miss Moppet""]I decided to make my February poll about this, and someone's just cast the first stone.[/quote]

You mean in a comment? I didn't see one.
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Post by EC2 » Mon February 1st, 2010, 5:47 pm

[quote=""boswellbaxter""]You mean in a comment? I didn't see one.[/quote]

Me neither? I thought it was just me. Explain yourself Miss Moppett - LOL!
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Post by LoveHistory » Mon February 1st, 2010, 6:50 pm

I believe she meant in the poll she has on the side of the page. I voted for Henry VII.

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Post by boswellbaxter » Mon February 1st, 2010, 7:18 pm

[quote=""LoveHistory""]I believe she meant in the poll she has on the side of the page. [/quote]

Thanks, that would make sense.
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Post by Anna Elliott » Mon February 1st, 2010, 7:19 pm

I voted for Henry, too--interesting that currently 50% of those who took the poll voted for Richard!

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Post by boswellbaxter » Mon February 1st, 2010, 8:05 pm

[quote=""Anna Elliott""]I voted for Henry, too--interesting that currently 50% of those who took the poll voted for Richard![/quote]

I was one of them!
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Post by Miss Moppet » Mon February 1st, 2010, 8:49 pm

[quote=""boswellbaxter""]You mean in a comment? I didn't see one.[/quote]

:D I just meant that the first person had voted and it was for Richard! :( or :) depending on your views.

The poll is in the sidebar. It is actually possible to comment on it but no-one has so far.

Thanks to everyone who is voting! It'll be interesting to see how it compares to last month's poll, because the results of that were that Richard was the most maligned person in history - so theoretically he shouldn't win this poll, one of the other suspects should. Unless the Ricardians who voted last month don't come back this month.

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Post by Sharz » Mon February 1st, 2010, 9:18 pm

I don’t think Richard winning both polls is necessarily inconsistent (as in, it must be different voters.) His bad rep is based on 1) the princes, 2) physical deformity and personality. I think one might reasonably believe that Richard probably did it, but also think that it was an unfortunately necessary part of being a king in that day and age, little different from what a dozen other kings did, and that therefore his rep is disproportionately negative. Particularly when the personality and physical aspect of his appears entirely undeserved.

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Post by Misfit » Mon February 1st, 2010, 9:49 pm

We did a poll on this over at Goodreads. Buckingham wonder over Henry by a hair. PS - Edward II was a red herring :o :p

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Post by Miss Moppet » Mon February 1st, 2010, 10:23 pm

[quote=""Sharz""]I don’t think Richard winning both polls is necessarily inconsistent (as in, it must be different voters.) [/quote]

Oh, he hasn't won yet. The poll has only been open a day and it'll be open all month. Richard and Henry are level at the moment actually.
Sharz wrote:His bad rep is based on 1) the princes, 2) physical deformity and personality. I think one might reasonably believe that Richard probably did it, but also think that it was an unfortunately necessary part of being a king in that day and age, little different from what a dozen other kings did, and that therefore his rep is disproportionately negative. Particularly when the personality and physical aspect of his appears entirely undeserved.
Yes, that's pretty much what I think (although I haven't voted yet. Lady Moppet might disagree, she seems to be developing a personality of her own as far as polls go). The Tudors offed dozens of Plantagenets but don't get nearly as much criticism. There were regents who conscientiously performed a thankless task and handed over the reins of power at the end of their stint - Anne of Austria, Philippe d'Orleans - but not until the early modern period. Was medieval society too unstable to cope with a minority? I'm trying to think of a minority rule that turned out successfully but can't so far.

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