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Post by cw gortner » Sat November 1st, 2008, 3:22 am

[quote=""Misfit""]an HF author has tagged not only every HF book he/she can find but other products as well including videos - all to get the book icons on the product page. [/quote]

I think I know who it is! He's on my amazon page.
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Post by Misfit » Sat November 1st, 2008, 1:52 pm

[quote=""cw gortner""]I think I know who it is! He's on my amazon page.[/quote]

Nope, good guess but not even close -- worse yet these were done by an anonymous amazon ID, not under the author's name. Now guess :)

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Post by Hoopking » Wed November 5th, 2008, 1:27 pm

Hello Misfit,

I ran across your post and comments as I was searching Google about my book.
My name is Dave Garr and my user name is Hoopking or Hoopkingus on most of my internet activity. I have read your post with an open mind and have since written an apology on the thread you mentioned. It was not my intention to offend you or anyone else.

I have worked in retail my entire life and actually have the book in the store I am in charge of now. I guess my question to you would be is it wrong for me to have the book in my store and promoted it here? If the answer is no in that instance, I would then say, is Amazon a retail operation? Don’t misunderstand what I am saying please, because I am truly not a forum lover, for the same reasons that were mentioned in some of the post that I have read here about people getting into arguments on these things. One of the threads on Amazon that drives me crazy is “Have You Published A Kindle Book Tell Us About It” but when you post your comments unless you become part of their click you find yourself on the outside looking in. So, I honestly am not good at the whole forum thing because I am not or never will be part of a click. Another thing to think of is, if you went into a book store and an author was sitting behind a table selling and promoting his/her own book would that be wrong.

I wrote a book that I hoped would be pleasing to others. Someone asked the question on your afore mentioned thread if anyone knew of a NEW historical fiction/romance novel and I simply responded to their query because that is what the book is.

I feel that I gave them a quality product to look at. After that it was their decision whether they wanted to buy it or not. I have given away as many books as I have sold and I would be happy to give many more away. I am honestly not in it for the money, although the knowledge that someone liked it would be nice. If anyone else, on this forum, has ever written a book they know the difficulty that awaits a new author and if anyone thinks they are going to become rich writing a book they are sadly mistaken, unless they find someone to push it for them or have the time themselves, which I have neither. I am grossly in the hole with this book. The editing and publishing of it put a strain on the old pocket book, but none of that makes any difference to me. I would just like to share it with others, but without a little cash flow it would become impossible to do that.

So in summary I would say that on this site it probably would be inappropriate for me to push my book, but is it wrong on a retail book selling store, such as Amazon, that I am a part of, especially when asked an opinion?

Again I apologize for any misunderstanding and hope you will accept it in the same manner of peace making.

If you would like to discuss anything further I would be more than happy to answer any questions for you, or discuss historical fiction with you. My favorite is the what-if of the future, whether it is a volcano eruption or an impending ice age those are my forte. I will check in from time to time to see if you want to talk but as I said before forums just aren’t my thing.
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Post by Hoopking » Wed November 5th, 2008, 2:53 pm

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Originally Posted by cw gortner
I think I know who it is! He's on my amazon page.
Nope, good guess but not even close -- worse yet these were done by an anonymous amazon ID, not under the author's name. Now guess
If you read the "who published a book" thread on Amazon you will see the guys that are doing what you are talking about.

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Post by Hoopking » Wed November 5th, 2008, 3:26 pm

I agree, but the authors do have the gumption. Every once in a whie an author's been spotted giving themselves a review (Amazon will remove those) as well as those "ghost" accounts they set up and give rave reviews (those one review wonders are easier to spot on Amazon these days. Then there's the groups of authors (DebMac you listening?) who write each other's books up with sugary sweet gushing glowing reviews. One has to learn to spot them.
I have to admit I did do that first but removed it as soon as I found out how people precieved it.

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Post by Misfit » Wed November 5th, 2008, 3:34 pm

Hoopking, I see your points and agree with them to some extent, and I agree Amazon is a retail site -- but the forums are for the readers to discuss books, not for authors to sell them IMO. I read the HR, Romance and HF threads regularly at Amazon its a very common occurence for authors to jump onto multiple threads and promote their books without adding to the discusion. There was even one author of what can only be described as porn promoted her book on the romance threads, and then took major umbrage with the regular posters who told her she was out of line. The only time I've ever seen Amazon take down an entire thread, not just delete the offensive posts!

I appreciate what authors can and do bring to those forums, including our own EC and BB as they can bring an entirely different perspective than the average reader has. I've seen several authors respond quite helpfully to posts adding other suggestions recommending other books in that field, and then respectfully suggesting taking a look at their book as well.

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Post by Spitfire » Wed November 5th, 2008, 4:14 pm

[quote=""Misfit""]I appreciate what authors can and do bring to those forums, including our own EC and BB as they can bring an entirely different perspective than the average reader has. I've seen several authors respond quite helpfully to posts adding other suggestions recommending other books in that field, and then respectfully suggesting taking a look at their book as well.[/quote]

This is how I feel as well about the authors on our site. I thoroughly enjoy the perspective they bring to this site. Their insight into the research and work it takes to create complex characters and the process it takes to get their work published is mind boggling. I appreciate their sharing that with us, it's a whole world that I didn't know about. So, I realize their work is like a mother with a brand new baby, and they want to show them off abit. Hey, that is why most of us are here...we are always on the look out for new authors and great reads.
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Post by cw gortner » Wed November 5th, 2008, 7:55 pm

I appreciate hearing your perspective, HoopKing. I know how hard it is to have a book out, either independently published or through a commercial publisher; your candor is refreshing. Thanks.
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Post by Hoopking » Wed November 5th, 2008, 10:35 pm

There was even one author of what can only be described as porn
What do you consider as porn? I have written sexual encounters into my romance novels, what do you consider going to far is?

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Post by Divia » Wed November 5th, 2008, 11:16 pm

If for instance I am looking for books on colonial america from a woman's perspective and an author wants to tell me that they have written a book about the time I'm cool with that. What I HATE is when I ask for the above topic and I get an author tell me they wrote a book about the wild west and while its not from a female perspective it does have females in it. :confused: :confused:

Thats not what I asked for. There is a time and place for everything and sometimes authors are a little too aggressive.
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