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Post by emr » Sat March 2nd, 2013, 11:55 pm

Oh yah all those baths.
And what about women growing hair almost to their knees? :D
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Post by emr » Sun March 3rd, 2013, 12:06 am

About El Cid, here is my favourite painting of him with Jimena. Painted in the 20th century by Marceliano Santa María. Sorry the pic is in perspective but I can't find something better. It even looks smaller than it is.
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Post by annis » Sun March 3rd, 2013, 12:06 am

And here's me thinking El Cid looked just like Charlton Heston, lol! Actually I did think I read somewhere that the real El Cid had blond hair, but no idea where I picked that up :) All I remember from the Lay of El Cid are lovingly detailed descriptions of his clothing!
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Post by Divia » Sun March 3rd, 2013, 12:15 am

Interesting.

I totally agree about the class thing, and can I extend that to race as well. Like in Philipa Greogry's book. OMG I thought I was going to die!!! A married white woman carrying on an affair with a black slave. :eek: Oh my!!!!!!!!!

I have a few other too, but I'll keep those hush hush. ;)
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Post by Margaret » Sun March 3rd, 2013, 12:50 am

I haven't seen this as often recently, but heroines with "a mouth too big for beauty." OK, I know it was the style in certain periods for women to have little rosebud mouths, but I always picture a woman with gigantically wide lips.
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Post by emr » Sun March 3rd, 2013, 7:56 am

And why is always full moon when they have to go out in the night? :D
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Post by Nefret » Sun March 3rd, 2013, 8:47 am

Modern terms or swear words. Giving 'magic powers' to the characters. (I like historical fantasy, but I've seen some novels that over-use it.)
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Post by emr » Sun March 3rd, 2013, 9:50 am

How is that when they have to sleep in some inn there is always private rooms like a 5 stars hotel? :D They had to share rooms. They had to share beds. Even with people of the opposite sex. I remember reading many years ago a medieval manual on how to behave in all the cases. I thought it was funny at the time. Now I wish I knew where I read it. Some magazine? hmmm
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Post by Misfit » Sun March 3rd, 2013, 5:27 pm

Something you probably see more in romances than HFs, but it does happen on occasion and drives me batty. Tell me once or twice how slim the heroine's wrist/waist is or how slender and creamy her neck is. Or the hero's well chisled chin or well-built chest. Once or twice, then move on, don't keep clubbing the reader over the head with it.
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Post by MLE (Emily Cotton) » Mon March 4th, 2013, 1:31 am

We could use a few ugly female protagonists in fiction. And some fat ones (Bless Julia Gregson for her chubby Tori in East of the Sun). I know that a writer wants the reader to identify with her character, and women (70% or greater of HF readers) like to pretend that they are gorgeous, so it's easier for the writer, and a better bet for the publisher to make her pretty.

But it seems that a really skilled novelist could pull it off brilliantly. After all, 50% of us are below average. ;)

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