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Overdone eras

Post by Helen_Davis » Sun February 3rd, 2013, 9:32 pm

I posted one about overdone protagonists awhile back. What do you all think are some overdone eras? For me theyr are

TUDOR ENGLAND
French Revolution
Civil War
World War Two

Can anyone think of any more? Also, what about some eras that are neglected? IMO, the entire ancient world is sorely neglected and also I think the Early Middle Ages is too. I'd also like to see more on the Roaring 20s. I'm interested in hearing everyone's thoughts! I know publishers need to publish what will sell, but IMO, I think we need to open reader's ideas and minds to new eras as well.

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Post by DanielAWillis » Sun February 3rd, 2013, 9:37 pm

I would only agree with Tudor Engand.

To me, it takes a lot to overdue a period. But the Tudor era is one that has.

As long as good stories are coming out about an era, I don't think it is overdone. But Tudor has long since been rehashes of the same stories.

Another one that was getting close was Renaissance Italy, but those stories have died down a bit in past decade or so.
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Post by Helen_Davis » Sun February 3rd, 2013, 9:42 pm

[quote=""DanielAWillis""]I would only agree with Tudor Engand.

To me, it takes a lot to overdue a period. But the Tudor era is one that has.

As long as good stories are coming out about an era, I don't think it is overdone. But Tudor has long since been rehashes of the same stories.

Another one that was getting close was Renaissance Italy, but those stories have died down a bit in past decade or so.[/quote]

Agreed. The Tudors are DONE. I agree with Renaissance Italy too. Maybe the publishers can take a hint about the Tudors? ;)

WW2 I just can't stand to read about. I read about the Holocaust when I was younger and to me it is just so heartbreaking I cannot think about it. Also my grandpa was in WW2 and he washed out and he was ashamed for life about it. It is just too close to home and my heart breaks for Hitler's victims-- and their tormentors, that they could have lost their souls and be so out of touch with humanity. The Nazis were not human. At least Eichmann got his karma.
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Post by MLE (Emily Cotton) » Sun February 3rd, 2013, 10:24 pm

The problem with this viewpoint is it is a world centered around one reader. 'Overdone' might be true if that one reader chose to read or gripe about all the books from a certain period. But there are many people who have not yet read ONE SINGLE TUDOR book. Or one about any of those other periods that are 'over-represented'.

Perhaps we should have a quota system based on how many people actually existed in a given period to read about. In which case, 75% of all literature would be about India and China. :(

Now as for me, I prefer stories set before the internal combustion engine. And also before computers. But there are just zillions of books out there that are set in contemporary times.

Stop them, I say! Let the publishing houses and writers know that I will no longer read a single one of their contemporary books! And I will complain about them! :mad: :mad:

Who agrees with me? :D :D
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Post by Nefret » Sun February 3rd, 2013, 10:38 pm

Tudor England, definitely. (Though I still have a lot of novels). The Napoleonic Era has a lot too.
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Post by EC2 » Sun February 3rd, 2013, 10:40 pm

LOL MLE - right on!

Sarah Johnson (Ariadne) posted a breakdown of the number of books reviewed in this month's HNS review and the majority are 19th and 20th centuries. Everyone keeps muttering about there being too many Tudor books around, but it so isn't true.

Here's Sarah's breakdown

Classical – 1 title
2nd century – 1 title
8th – 1 title
11th – 1 title
12th – 4 titles
13th – 2 titles
14th – 1 title
15th – 3 titles
16th – 9 titles
17th – 7 titles
18th – 11 titles
19th – 70 titles
20th – 81 titles
Multi-period – 10 titles
Timeslip – 4 titles
Alternate history – 2 titles
Fantasy/paranormal – 5 titles
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Post by sweetpotatoboy » Sun February 3rd, 2013, 11:12 pm

And of course one man's "overdone" is another man's "I can't get enough of - keep 'em coming!".

And a future reader could be glad of a present vogue for an era when that setting has fallen out of favour.

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Post by Helen_Davis » Mon February 4th, 2013, 12:27 am

[quote=""sweetpotatoboy""]And of course one man's "overdone" is another man's "I can't get enough of - keep 'em coming!".

And a future reader could be glad of a present vogue for an era when that setting has fallen out of favour.[/quote]

True. Like all your posts everyone! I just wanted to vent a little since I don't think I will be able to stomach another Tudor book for a very long time. And glad to see alternate history at least made the list! :) Maybe there is a chance for me! Wish me luck! And yes, Nefret-- how could I forget the Napoleonic era?

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Post by Ariadne » Mon February 4th, 2013, 1:59 am

Thanks for reposting the breakdown, EC2! The Tudor era has had some high-profile and bestselling novels of late, but in looking at the overall picture and the number of titles published, it doesn't dominate and really never has. And of the 9 titles reviewed this month that were set in the 16th c, there were novels of Italy, France, and Japan mixed in there too. There was one novel in there about Tudor royalty, DL Bogdan's The Forgotten Queen (about Henry VIII's sister Margaret), but that's it.

Another thing to look at - if you go to the HNS website and click on Period on the top right, you'll see a word cloud in which the font size represents the prominence of the era in the entire review database (5000+ titles). Or ditto with Century. 19th and 20th c are the biggest categories, though people don't gripe about the number of Victorian-set novels. At least I haven't heard it yet :D

I'll gladly read another Tudor novel if it brings something new to the table. I'm also starting to hear a bit of push-back against the number of WWI-era novels thanks to a certain popular TV program, but this has been such a neglected period up until recently that I can only say "bring it on" :)

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Post by lauragill » Mon February 4th, 2013, 2:48 am

[quote=""Helen_Davis""]I posted one about overdone protagonists awhile back. What do you all think are some overdone eras? For me theyr are

TUDOR ENGLAND
French Revolution
Civil War
World War Two

Can anyone think of any more? Also, what about some eras that are neglected? IMO, the entire ancient world is sorely neglected and also I think the Early Middle Ages is too. I'd also like to see more on the Roaring 20s. I'm interested in hearing everyone's thoughts! I know publishers need to publish what will sell, but IMO, I think we need to open reader's ideas and minds to new eras as well.[/quote]

I think the publishing industry has a lot to do with neglected eras. Agents and editors are reluctant to consider anything that isn't trending. I found that out when I tried to submit my work.

Also, some eras are neglected because of the difficulty researching them, especially some of the ancient eras where information is scarce. Egypt is well-documented, because we can read their inscriptions, but civilizations like Minoan Crete or the people who built Stonehenge aren't as well understood.

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