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Thoughts on VP Debate

Post by amyb » Fri October 3rd, 2008, 12:51 pm

So, what did everyone think about the VP debate last night?

Palin didn't crash and burn like I thought she would've, but she still makes me sick to my stomach. She seemed so fake with her "You betcha" and obnoxious winks. And I swear if I hear "maverick" one more time I will gouge out my eyes.

I thought Biden did a good job, but probably could have been tougher on Palin.

All in all, the debate wasn't IMO a slam dunk nor was it much of a deciding factor for someone still on the fence!

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Post by Ash » Fri October 3rd, 2008, 1:44 pm

That comment from her about not answering the questions the way she (Ifill) expected wasn't being a maverick. It was being a spoiled brat.

All Palin did was read from her cards the talking points given to her. Every question came back to those points, it didn't matter what the question was. That folksy act really got on my nerves. Tho I have to admit, she did better than expected and probably came across just fine to many people who haven't really been paying attention to what she has said in the past.

Biden handled her well, and was able to criticize her comments without seeming like a bully. He was honest, forceful, and at the same time not afraid to show some emotion.

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Post by Misfit » Fri October 3rd, 2008, 1:45 pm

I am very ashamed to admit that I didn't watch it I was too busy reading a book :o :o :o

Here's an interesting blog on Palin some of you might want to follow.

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Post by amyb » Fri October 3rd, 2008, 2:04 pm

Thanks for the link, this is very interesting reading!

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Post by LCW » Fri October 3rd, 2008, 3:09 pm

I thought Palin did better than she has in the past weeks in that she managed to string a few more coherent sentences together. But she showed a pitiful lack of knowledge on the subjects and her "coaching" and practice was obvious. Funnily, Amyb, I said the exact same thing about the word "maverick"! Ugh, enough already. Following lock step with George Bush's policies doesn't make one a "maverick". Maybe being irrational, tempermental, and grouchy does??

On the other hand I was so proud of Joe Biden! He did amazing! His knowledge shone through and he was never once came across as condescending or lecturing Palin. In fact, I thought she used her femininity to get some sarcastic zingers and one liners in that had Biden said them the right would be crying foul. So if I better not hear the "sexist" complaint from the McCain campaign or the right wing media ever again!! Biden missed lots of opportunities to show up Palin which I was sort of dissapointed in. I would've liked to see him go after her lack of comprehension on the issues but that may have backfired on him. And I'm not the one he has to convince, he had to win over an Independant or undecided who was just as likely to vote for McCain.

One more thing, since I work with and study the carbon cycle I was particularly alarmed at Palin's complete ignorance of the accepted scientific cause of climate change. She hemmed and hawed and danced around it and talked out both sides of her mouth. And when she said it doesn't matter whose to blame I was floored (just like there's no sense it playing the "blame game" about the last eight years...yeah!)! Of course it matters what the cause is! And Biden's answer was exactly what I was looking for!! All the nonsense about other countries that pollute more than us and have worse environmental standards, blah blah blah! I'm sure that was a dig at the Kyoto Treaty but she didn't once adcknowldege that US is the #1 pollutor in the world. She just blamed "other countries"! Complete lack of respect for the current science and a lack of any sort of serious grasp on one of the worst disasters that we will pass on to our children!
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Post by amyb » Fri October 3rd, 2008, 3:21 pm

Well said 1Lila1!!

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Mavericky...a Palinism

Post by chuck » Fri October 3rd, 2008, 5:23 pm

[quote=""amyb""]Well said 1Lila1!![/quote]

a few comments....I feel Biden would have been criticized if he would one lined her....and he can throw zingers with the best of them....but choose not....The Moderator was very disappointing, did not challenge Palin or Biden to answer the question or stay on topic and her follow up questions were lame.......Palin's "Fargo" accent is sooooo annoying and the way she lays it on with I"m Joe Six Pack/Hockey Mom one liners.....Did you hear her remarks on making the VP more involved with legislation and the Constitution has some built in flexibility for the VP....Biden was excellent in explaining the role of the VP.....Her Palinisms reminds me of Bushisms....Anti intellectual folksy approach to dodging and dancing around issues and questions....excuse my redundant remarks....What scares me; is the American Electorate.... They tend to vote for people they like.....forget about the issues....hopefully the "state of the union" will convince them that we need a change.....Thanks for letting me vent.....I feel better
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Post by amyb » Fri October 3rd, 2008, 5:48 pm

I agree that Biden handled himself very well and even though I would have loved him to go after her, I think it would have backfired and made him look bad. He did great!

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Post by Margaret » Fri October 3rd, 2008, 6:35 pm

Palin's (rather muddled) comments about the VP job somehow being entitled to more power than it has been understood to have in the past really struck me. To me, that was the most important moment in the debate, because I think it has really scary implications. The Bush administration has already succeeded in exercising more power than I believe the framers of the Constitution, who strongly believed in checks and balances, intended to grant to the President. To now contend that the VP is somehow entitled to exercise more power as "part of the legislative branch" is appalling. As Biden correctly pointed out, the VP's only power in Congress is the formality of presiding, and of breaking a tie vote when and if it occurs.

Fortunately, it doesn't look like the voters are going to go for the McCain ticket. I would like to see a huge landslide vote for Obama and Biden. McCain may talk about wanting to serve his country and the people - and I actually do think he's sincere about that (if misguided in his policies) - but his pick as VP sends a starkly different message, and if they are elected, it's very much within the realm of possibility that she could become President.
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Post by LCW » Fri October 3rd, 2008, 6:39 pm

Biden aced that one! I froze in shock when I heard Palin's answer and then relaxed when I heard Biden's. I just hope the American people are smart enough to really see the right wing goal of abolishing the checks and balances that our forefathers wisely integerated into government for the dangerous power grab it is.
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