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princess garnet
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Post by princess garnet » Sat October 8th, 2011, 3:57 pm

If and when this adopted mom gets out of prison, she'll always be known as a murderer. She's branded herself for life.

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Post by Telynor » Sat October 8th, 2011, 7:24 pm

I grew up with that attitude of parenting; my mother beat both me and my brother using crops and belts, and once gave me a concussion with a frying pan. It was godawful, and even though it's been thirty years since I left my mother's house, I still bear those scars and memories -- sadly, abuse is as Dr. Drew Pinsky put it, the gift that keeps on giving, and how very true that comment is! I think it is abhorrent to hit children and to abuse them and books such as this only perpetuate such abuse.

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Post by LCW » Sun October 9th, 2011, 1:20 am

Ugh! That poor little girl :( ! That book sounds like "101 Ways to Abuse Your Child". The authors and anyone who uses those methods should be in jail. Disgusting!
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Post by Vanessa » Sun October 9th, 2011, 12:18 pm

[quote=""Telynor""]I grew up with that attitude of parenting; my mother beat both me and my brother using crops and belts, and once gave me a concussion with a frying pan. It was godawful, and even though it's been thirty years since I left my mother's house, I still bear those scars and memories -- sadly, abuse is as Dr. Drew Pinsky put it, the gift that keeps on giving, and how very true that comment is! I think it is abhorrent to hit children and to abuse them and books such as this only perpetuate such abuse.[/quote]

Are you still on speaking terms with your mother, Telynor? I'm not sure I would be.
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Post by Elysium » Sun October 9th, 2011, 6:38 pm

Is that book self published? Because I can't understand what kind of publisher would accept that kind of book.

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Post by MLE (Emily Cotton) » Sun October 9th, 2011, 9:20 pm

None of this is good. But coming from a place where I do write-ups of human trafficking, I do wish some of the angst could be directed at prevention. Do you know how many parents sell their children into slavery? How many are stolen? Did you know there is something you can do about it? Click on the links in my signature to find out!

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Post by Mythica » Mon October 10th, 2011, 8:57 am

[quote=""LoveHistory""]It's a terrible thing that makes me feel sick.

But I have to say that it sounds like the problem is with those parents and not with the book. From what I have read about it, it sounds like they took some things way out of context and ignored the parts about love, and never disciplining when you're angry. "A witness" says they got the ideas from the book. Doesn't mean they did, or that all of the ideas came from that particular book.

I've read books with all kinds of odd and sometimes even stupid advice. I don't follow that advice. People read crime thrillers; they don't go out and commit those crimes. The parents are to blame here.

And no, that is not parenting.[/quote]

I agree, people who are not prone to abuse are not going to turn into child abusers just because they read this book. But that doesn't make advocating and encouraging child abuse acceptable. The parents are responsible but I still think it's also immoral to basically give abusers tips on "How to Abuse Your Child". Just like that book which was essentially "How to Be a Paedophile" wasn't going to turn anyone into a paedophile but that doesn't mean giving existing paedophile's tips on how to indulge their obsession is acceptable.

Encouraging and advocating immoral or illegal activities is never okay in my opinion and that's exactly what this book does - crime thrillers are different since they're fiction, they are not meant to be taken as a real-life guide on how to commit crimes. Even true crime non-fiction is intended as a legitimate study of these crimes (only by understanding criminals can we catch them), not as "tips". If someone wrote a book intended as a how-to guide on murdering or raping someone and getting away with it, I would consider it as equally immoral as this book on how to abuse your child.
Is that book self published? Because I can't understand what kind of publisher would accept that kind of book.
The "publisher" is a company set up by the authors of the book. The website has more articles on "training" your child: http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/
So essentially, yes, it's self-published.

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