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Post by Michy » Wed May 4th, 2011, 2:07 am

[quote=""LoveHistory""]Michy you are not the only person in the world who was underwhelmed by the dress. Two therapists said they expected something more...well just more. And one of my sisters dislikes lace completely.

[/quote] I think it is a pretty dress, just, well, uninteresting. I was hoping for something with the "wow" factor of Diana's. Yes, we all dislike Diana's dress now (I don't, actually, but again I'm probably in the minority :) ), but keep in mind that it was 30 years ago and styles were different. The thing is, it had a huge impact; I thought Kate's dress might have a similar impact on fashion, but I don't think that's going to be the case.

Then again, times are very different now and perhaps Kate's understated style was meant to be in keeping with the current austerity. So perhaps it was a wise choice, after all.

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Post by annis » Wed May 4th, 2011, 2:37 am

I agree that you didn't get a full impression of the elaborate lacework on the dress and train when watching it on TV. You can get a better idea of it from pictures like this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishmon ... hotostream

For those into needlework (i've done quite a bit of embroidery in the past) it was interesting listening to the embroiderers discussing the work they did on the dress:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13249682

Accompanying article
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13249018
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Post by Miss Moppet » Wed May 4th, 2011, 2:44 am

[quote=""Michy""]I guess I am the lone dissenting opinion in that I was disappointed with Kate's dress. [/quote]

No, you're not the only one. I liked the top half better than the bottom half and when she got out of the car I was slightly disappointed. I didn't like the way the skirt hung and the volume reminded me more of the 1970s than the 1950s.

LH is right, the gown wasn't as plain as it appeared on TV. I had a look at the cover of Hello in the supermarket today and I liked the dress much better in that picture because you could see the details of the embroidery on the skirt and how it unified the design. I can't find a comparative photo online unfortunately.

Although the dress wasn't quite to my taste I think it was the right choice for Kate and for the day. If she'd had bare shoulders she would have looked too sexy; if she'd covered up completely with lace a la Grace Kelly she would have looked a bit too prim and perhaps even hypocritical. If she'd gone any fuller in the skirt she would have been accused of having an 80s style meringue. If she'd had a longer train it would have looked pretentious. Train length has always been linked to rank - Diana could get away with a 25 foot train because she was an earl's daughter, but it wouldn't have been right for Kate. Not to mention that a shorter train is much more practical and meant she only needed one bridesmaid. And she was also careful to choose a material which wouldn't crumple en route like Diana's did.

I was a little nervous watching because not only was the ceremony representing Britain to the rest of the world, Kate and Pippa were representing the English middle class and I have to say, neither one of them put a foot wrong from beginning to end.

When Kate saw the York girls she might well have been thinking "there but for the grace of God..." If she'd gone for something more fashion-forward, she could have ended up in the same boat. It wasn't a risk worth taking.

Found this post on 10 iconic wedding dresses. The Jackie dress is by far my favourite - not so much for the detailing as for the cut of it - it's beautiful.

As for Diana's dress, I liked it and still like it despite its shortcomings. The ball dress I had made when I was in college, in black dupion silk, was partly inspired by it although with no pie frill and the puffed sleeves very much toned down. It would have worked better on the day in a more practical fabric and also if Diana hadn't been drowning in it - she had obviously lost a great deal of weight since they started fitting it. I liked the Duchess of York's wedding gown too - it was actually relatively restrained for her and for the mid-1980s.

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Post by Michy » Wed May 4th, 2011, 2:59 am

[quote=""Miss Moppet""]

Train length has always been linked to rank - Diana could get away with a 25 foot train because she was an earl's daughter, but it wouldn't have been right for Kate. [/quote] I didn't know that. How interesting.
The Jackie dress is by far my favourite - not so much for the detailing as for the cut of it - it's beautiful.
I like the bodice but don't care for the skirt. I read once that Jackie didn't like it at all -- and really, it's not in keeping with her taste, much more fussy than anything she would have chosen. But Jack is the one who wanted it -- I think it was based on his grandma's wedding dress, or something like that. I like Wallis Simpson's dress -- not as a wedding dress, necessarily, but just the cut and the fit and the style. She may have been homely, but she definitely had style. How sad that the color has completely faded.
As for Diana's dress, I liked it and still like it despite its shortcomings. The ball dress I had made when I was in college, in black dupion silk, was partly inspired by it although with no pie frill and the puffed sleeves very much toned down. It would have worked better on the day in a more practical fabric and also if Diana hadn't been drowning in it - she had obviously lost a great deal of weight since they started fitting it. I liked the Duchess of York's wedding gown too - it was actually relatively restrained for her and for the mid-1980s.
Back in the '80s one of my friends absolutely loved Diana -- she had every one of those large picture books they used to put out to commemorate every trip Charles and Diana took. Anyway, I made a formal dress for her once based on one of Diana's dresses. It was a lot of work but I was quite proud of it. :)

You are right that Diana's dress didn't fit quite as well as it should have -- don't know why the dressmakers didn't alter it. There comes a point in the sewing process, though, where complicated garments like that become extremely difficult to alter (you have to take them almost completely apart) and if Diana lost a lot of weight shortly before the wedding, after her dress was past that point, that could be why they weren't able to make it fit better. Kate's dress fit like a glove.

And of course, poor Diana's hair went limp due to the weather. But she still looked every inch a princess, anyway. :)

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Post by Miss Moppet » Wed May 4th, 2011, 4:04 am

[quote=""Michy""]I read once that Jackie didn't like it at all -- and really, it's not in keeping with her taste, much more fussy than anything she would have chosen. But Jack is the one who wanted it -- I think it was based on his grandma's wedding dress, or something like that. [/quote]

That's such a shame that she didn't like it! I think every woman should have her dream dress for her wedding day. My mother didn't like hers but didn't like to say so and put up with it instead of having it altered. My cousin's wife had awful trouble finding an off-the-peg dress that wasn't strapless - in the end she had to have a halter neck added to a strapless dress.

I like strapless evening gowns but I have to say I'm not keen on them for wedding dresses, simply because they're white. It can look as if the bride just got out of the shower and wrapped a towel round her!

Pippa Middleton's bridesmaid dress was lovely and very much in the Victorian tradition of having the bridesmaids match rather than contrast. I think quite a few brides might be tempted to copy it too.

Apparently Kate's perfume was White Gardenia Petals by Illuminum. I am curious to give it a sniff as I love the scent of gardenia and was thoroughly annoyed when Floris discontinued their Gardenia range.

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Post by Michy » Wed May 4th, 2011, 5:15 am

[quote=""Miss Moppet""]

Apparently Kate's perfume was White Gardenia Petals by Illuminum. I am curious to give it a sniff as I love the scent of gardenia and was thoroughly annoyed when Floris discontinued their Gardenia range.[/quote] Ooh, I love gardenia, as well. "Gardenia Passion" by Annick Goutal is on my bathroom counter. :)

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Post by Telynor » Wed May 4th, 2011, 5:59 am

[quote=""Miss Moppet""]
I am curious to give it a sniff as I love the scent of gardenia and was thoroughly annoyed when Floris discontinued their Gardenia range.[/quote]

I don't know if you can get Crabtree and Evelyn there, but they have a delightful line of gardenia fragrances.

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Post by Mythica » Wed May 4th, 2011, 9:34 am

I didn't think the dress was that great either. I won't say I didn't like it but I didn't love it either. I liked the skirt but the breasts were too pointy from certain angles and the lace too old fashioned for me. Plus, I don't love strapless dresses, which this basically was but with lace over it. I got the impression Kate wanted a strapless dress but was told her shoulders had to be covered so she just covered them with lace. Especially since the second dress she wore later on was indeed strapless.

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Post by Ken » Wed May 4th, 2011, 2:41 pm

[quote=""annis""]Lol! At least she didn't go for the green make-up! Mad hats certainly seemed to be the order of the day. I still think Princess Bea's beige tower and Tara P-T's blue canoe take the cake. What I want to know is how they keep these death-defying hats attached? Super glue?

Speaking of green- wasn't Pippa's green gown for the evening reception a stunner? Hot, or what?

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Speaking from my own (obviously male) point of view, may I just say 'Whoar!' 'Wow!' and 'GollyGosh!'

And they're really, really 'pointy!' :D

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Post by Michy » Wed May 4th, 2011, 2:52 pm

[quote=""Mythica""]I liked the skirt but the breasts were too pointy from certain angles [/quote] I thought the same thing; maybe it's just that the dress doesn't photograph well, but the bodice definitely needed softer lines.
Plus, I don't love strapless dresses, which this basically was but with lace over it. I got the impression Kate wanted a strapless dress but was told her shoulders had to be covered so she just covered them with lace. Especially since the second dress she wore later on was indeed strapless.
That is exactly what I thought; she was getting as close to strapless as she could while still staying within the "rules" for royal wedding dresses.

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