Welcome to the Historical Fiction Online forums: a friendly place to discuss, review and discover historical fiction.
If this is your first visit, please be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above.
You will have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed.
To start viewing posts, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Rant! Why I don't go to the HF forums at Amazon anymore

User avatar
Misfit
Bibliomaniac
Posts: 9581
Joined: August 2008
Location: Seattle, WA

Post by Misfit » Sat November 13th, 2010, 6:26 pm

[quote=""Ash""]Actually, I stopped going to the list because I couldn't keep up. I just scroll by those, but its been awhile - I guess they have overtaken the actual posts?[/quote]

That's pretty much all I see when I have treaded there. On one thread a while ago the OP finally asked the authors to stop, that wasn't what she had requested. Several authors took umbrage and got rather huffy.
At home with a good book and the cat...
...is the only place I want to be

User avatar
Divia
Bibliomaniac
Posts: 4435
Joined: August 2008
Location: Always Cloudy, Central New York

Post by Divia » Sat November 13th, 2010, 6:40 pm

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I dont have a problem with promoting their novels but at every turn it gets annoying. For example I ask for suggestions about a book about the American Civil War and a female MC. And I get a ton of suggestions on every other time period.

I also agree that I'm glad we have the authors we have here. They are helpful, and they dont wave their flags and blow their horns to get our attention.

I'm pleased that we now have the new rules too where people can't come and spam our forum with worthless information about their book in every discussion. Most were coming to spam us, and not engaging us in conversations. I hate that.
News, views, and reviews on books and graphic novels for young adult.
http://yabookmarks.blogspot.com/

User avatar
boswellbaxter
Bibliomaniac
Posts: 3066
Joined: August 2008
Location: North Carolina
Contact:

Post by boswellbaxter » Sat November 13th, 2010, 6:52 pm

[quote=""Margaret""]Why some writers will never graduate from the self-published category ..... That kind of angry sense of entitlement gets in the way of being able to assess one's own writing clearly and work on improving it. And none of us write like geniuses the first time we set pen to paper, or fingers to computer.[/quote]

What was so puzzling about this particular author is that she would have been let on the forum if she had answered the automated questions (which don't ask for personal information)--all we're trying to do at that stage is exclude obvious spammers whose products or services have nothing to do with the forum. I approve almost all author registrants on the supposition that they will abide by the forum rules.
Susan Higginbotham
Coming in October: The Woodvilles


http://www.susanhigginbotham.com/
http://www.susanhigginbotham.com/blog/

User avatar
MLE (Emily Cotton)
Bibliomaniac
Posts: 3562
Joined: August 2008
Interest in HF: started in childhood with the classics, which, IMHO are HF even if they were contemporary when written.
Favourite HF book: Prince of Foxes, by Samuel Shellabarger
Preferred HF: Currently prefer 1600 and earlier, but I'll read anything that keeps me turning the page.
Location: California Bay Area

Post by MLE (Emily Cotton) » Sat November 13th, 2010, 7:12 pm

As a writer, I value this forum precisely because it is mostly about readers and what they liked or didn't like about the books they have read. I learn something about the variety of people's taste from every post.

All I learn from advertising is that an author thought their own work worthy of attention, which is a given and therefore a time-waster. And there are lots and lots of forums for writers to spout off and exchange info about writing. This forum is for readers to talk about reading.

Thanks to the moderators for all the time it takes to keep this resource pertinent, spam-free, and valuable.

User avatar
Kveto from Prague
Compulsive Reader
Posts: 919
Joined: September 2008
Location: Prague, Bohemia

Post by Kveto from Prague » Sat November 13th, 2010, 7:13 pm

wow. not that i was thinking of joining that site but your examples show exactly why i wouldnt. thats terrible.

On this site, i feel im a minority as just a reader if you count all of the unpublished authors on here but it feels like even the writers here always participate as readers first. I like that there is a self promotion section and a writers section that i can venture into if i feel the need. but that most of this forum is dedicated to good old fashioned info sharing is what makes it great.

occasionally someone will slip a self promo into a "readers" thread. eg "If you are interested in viking stories, you might like my book set in 16th century mexico...." kinds of threads. but they are easy to ignore and/or make fun of.

And as Divia says, the new rules make for even less unwanted self promos.

When I see what other forums are like it just makes me appreciate the work that goes into this one even more.

User avatar
LoveHistory
Bibliomaniac
Posts: 3751
Joined: September 2008
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Contact:

Post by LoveHistory » Sat November 13th, 2010, 10:35 pm

[quote=""Kveto from Prague""] "If you are interested in viking stories, you might like my book set in 16th century mexico...." [/quote]

This deserves one of those laughing emoticons that roll back and forth. :D

HFO rocks!

User avatar
EC2
Bibliomaniac
Posts: 3661
Joined: August 2008
Location: Nottingham UK
Contact:

Post by EC2 » Sat November 13th, 2010, 11:02 pm

Absolutely about readers here to talk about reading. Okay, I'm a writer for a day job but before that I worked in a shop and I have always read voraciously and love talking reading with others and socialising with like minded people. I love this forum because of the reader discussions, the friendship and the easy way we all get on. I love it too that it's mostly promo free and that any promo is generally gentle, understated and kept within given boundaries.
I have now more or less abandoned a historical Yahoo e-list I was on because it has gone the way of the Amazon forums and is now all writers shouting their wares at other writers and no one wanting to discuss books or the reading of them. It's so sad that the whole voice of that forum has changed. This place is my haven as a reader!
Les proz e les vassals
Souvent entre piez de chevals
Kar ja li coard n’I chasront

'The Brave and the valiant
Are always to be found between the hooves of horses
For never will cowards fall down there.'

Histoire de Guillaume le Mareschal

www.elizabethchadwick.com

User avatar
Miss Moppet
Bibliophile
Posts: 1726
Joined: April 2009
Location: North London
Contact:

Post by Miss Moppet » Sat November 13th, 2010, 11:36 pm

It has come to my attention--as it is sometimes wont to do from those whose only occupations are to stir the perpetual pot of gossip without checking the veracity of their facts--that within my immediate social circle, which now extends to include the Amazon Communities and its upstanding members, that there is now much excited utterance of speculation and confabulations regarding the release of my upcoming novel of historical fiction AND great consequence, aptly entitled, THE GASLIGHT JOURNAL. I must confess, I have grasped snippets of the conversation as I have encountered them, and have done little to squash the rumours, which could easily be done without thought or procovation simply from the heel of my well-buttoned boot.
If the book is written in the style of that post I'll curl up with the telephone directory before I'll read it.

This is why I don't bother with Amazon forums - the discussion quickly degenerates into either a lot of authors spamming each other, or their crazed fangirls fighting like cats in a bag. There are separate threads for promotion, so there's no excuse, but one starts and then they're all at it.

There is a lot of lame marketing advice for writers out there, so I have to wonder if they have all read articles telling them spamming actually works.

I do look at the promotion threads occasionally, but nothing ever catches my attention. I think it's because they all post their blurbs. Seems logical that a blurb would work because that's what's on the book cover, but if an author is going to tell me about her book I'd rather read a more informal description - the blurb sounds too glib and it also seems a bit lazy just to copy and paste. But I still don't want to read a thing outside of a dedicated thread.
Kveto from Prague wrote:When I see what other forums are like it just makes me appreciate the work that goes into this one even more.
This must be one of the few places where readers and authors both published and aspiring can peacefully co-exist. ETA: And thanks to the moderators for keeping it that way.
Last edited by Miss Moppet on Sun November 14th, 2010, 12:02 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Miss Moppet
Bibliophile
Posts: 1726
Joined: April 2009
Location: North London
Contact:

Post by Miss Moppet » Sat November 13th, 2010, 11:43 pm

[quote=""EC2""]
I have now more or less abandoned a historical Yahoo e-list I was on because it has gone the way of the Amazon forums and is now all writers shouting their wares at other writers and no one wanting to discuss books or the reading of them. [/quote]

Sounds like the song from Oliver!, Who Will Buy?

I think there are a fair few aspiring writers who don't actually read, in their genre or out of it. Another reason why they are likely to remain aspiring.

Ash
Bibliomaniac
Posts: 2475
Joined: August 2008
Location: Arizona, USA

Post by Ash » Sat November 13th, 2010, 11:44 pm

[quote=""Kveto from Prague""]On this site, i feel im a minority as just a reader if you count all of the unpublished authors on here but it feels like even the writers here always participate as readers first. .[/quote]

I agree with how the writers here participate, but really, you feel like the majority are writers? I don't see that, but perhaps it is because the writers act like normal people here :) I do feel very comfortable here as a reader, and amazingly comfortable chatting with the writers. I am no longer in awe of EC and Sharon and others (tho my respect and admiration knows no bounds), afraid of venturing in their turf. But the always make me feel welcomed. I feel like I can carry on a conversation with them as an equal. Keep up the good work, writers, and moderators, keep up the firewall :)

Gaslight Journal

That brings to mind images that I suspect the author did not have in mind.
Last edited by Ash on Sat November 13th, 2010, 11:48 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Post Reply

Return to “Chat”