If an authors body of work covers multiple genres, can that author be considered HF if only a small segment of their work is HF?
With a few exceptions, I don't label an author as HF, I label a book as such. Barbara Hambly is a good example of that.
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[quote=""Ash""]If an authors body of work covers multiple genres, can that author be considered HF if only a small segment of their work is HF?
With a few exceptions, I don't label an author as HF, I label a book as such. Barbara Hambly is a good example of that.[/quote]
Me neither, I'd only label an author as HF if they wrote mainly historical fiction, such as Philippa Gregory, Elizabeth Chadwick, Bernard Cornwell - even someone like Barbara Erskine who writes novels with a dual time-frame wouldn't be considered HF in my view, and I certainly wouldn't call Maeve Binchy a HF author!
Perhaps she's marketed slightly differently outside the UK, but here she's usually filed under "women's fiction".
With a few exceptions, I don't label an author as HF, I label a book as such. Barbara Hambly is a good example of that.[/quote]
Me neither, I'd only label an author as HF if they wrote mainly historical fiction, such as Philippa Gregory, Elizabeth Chadwick, Bernard Cornwell - even someone like Barbara Erskine who writes novels with a dual time-frame wouldn't be considered HF in my view, and I certainly wouldn't call Maeve Binchy a HF author!

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[quote=""Michy""]Have you tried the library? That's where I got my copy; although I enjoyed it so much that, if I continue to enjoy the rest of the series as much, I will probably buy copies to keep.
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I have now found a reasonably priced Dawn's Early Light from Amazon UK (originally I only found ones priced at over £100 - and I am not going there) and I shall be reading it soon.
Unfortunately, a few years ago I think libraries here (although a British librarian might correct me) were encouraged to move on their stock. And, although wonderful for those of us who managed to pick up some wonderful ex-library books very cheaply to keep, it means that apart from the classics not many libraries keep older books, particularly in London where storage costs are so high. I know that the City of London Library does appear to keep some old stock in their stack service (ie the Moreland Dynasty and the Jean Plaidy books) but generally speaking it is easier to try and find these books second-hand (and that is so much easier now with with the internet).
Whilst trying to locate the other recommendations you gave me I came across a thread about why American HF is not fashionable (or do I mean popular?) and the many reasons you all came up with for this. I would just like to say that as a Brit, I find colonial American history and the Revolutionary War fascinating (but then they are also part of European history as well). The reason I don't follow the later stuff is simply that due to spending many many years studying history from 1815 onwards, I now try to avoid anything later than 1815. I also rediscovered the 17th century (whilst studying politics and not history) and that is so complicated, I don't really have any time for anything else.
However, you seem to identify trends in your educational system as being partly to blame. I can only say that many eminent historians here would say the English/Welsh education system (as the Scottish system is different) have a similar problem. In fact, it some cases it would appear that unless it is US history, the kids here don't see the point. Naturally, as someone who studied world history/international history but always concentrated on the European aspects, I find that very disheartening. BUT IT IS A VERY BIG QUESTION IN ENGLAND at the moment.
I am now going in search of Celia Garth. Thank you for all your suggestions.
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I have now found a reasonably priced Dawn's Early Light from Amazon UK (originally I only found ones priced at over £100 - and I am not going there) and I shall be reading it soon.
Unfortunately, a few years ago I think libraries here (although a British librarian might correct me) were encouraged to move on their stock. And, although wonderful for those of us who managed to pick up some wonderful ex-library books very cheaply to keep, it means that apart from the classics not many libraries keep older books, particularly in London where storage costs are so high. I know that the City of London Library does appear to keep some old stock in their stack service (ie the Moreland Dynasty and the Jean Plaidy books) but generally speaking it is easier to try and find these books second-hand (and that is so much easier now with with the internet).
Whilst trying to locate the other recommendations you gave me I came across a thread about why American HF is not fashionable (or do I mean popular?) and the many reasons you all came up with for this. I would just like to say that as a Brit, I find colonial American history and the Revolutionary War fascinating (but then they are also part of European history as well). The reason I don't follow the later stuff is simply that due to spending many many years studying history from 1815 onwards, I now try to avoid anything later than 1815. I also rediscovered the 17th century (whilst studying politics and not history) and that is so complicated, I don't really have any time for anything else.
However, you seem to identify trends in your educational system as being partly to blame. I can only say that many eminent historians here would say the English/Welsh education system (as the Scottish system is different) have a similar problem. In fact, it some cases it would appear that unless it is US history, the kids here don't see the point. Naturally, as someone who studied world history/international history but always concentrated on the European aspects, I find that very disheartening. BUT IT IS A VERY BIG QUESTION IN ENGLAND at the moment.
I am now going in search of Celia Garth. Thank you for all your suggestions.
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Are there works of Womens Fiction constructed with an HF setting?
Are there differences between a Period Piece and Historical Fiction?
Would Wouks Youngblood Hawke be a period piece but not HF?
Amazons inventory 8/3/10
Total Books = 29,666,572
Literature / Fiction = 1,607,788
Subdivisions of Literature / Fiction
Womens Fiction = 990
Genre Fiction = 180,343
Subdivision of Genre Fiction
Historical Fiction = 52,920
from http://www.agentquery.com/genre_descriptions.aspx
Historical Fiction:
Historical fiction is often a work of literary fiction or commercial fiction in which the plot and story transpire during a distinct era in the past. True historical fiction portrays conflicts and characters that depended on a particular time period for their existence (Civil War battles and heroes, slave trade in colonial America, 18th-century British royalty, 1960s civil right leaders, etc.) These conflicts and characters are inseparable from the authors decision to set the story in a non-contemporary era; the historical time and place influence the unfolding narrative and the characters' struggles within it.
Historical fiction is a careful balance between fact and fiction; and although characters and events may be exaggerated or completely made up for the sake of a good story, accurate historical facts and details lend credence and legitimacy to the overall tale. Although literary or commercial fiction often incorporates historical elements into their stories for atmospheric effect, this is not the same as historical fiction, which uses historical settings and time periods to establish its core conflicts.
Womens Fiction:
Womens fiction is just that: fiction about womens issues for a female readership. However, it is not the same as chick lit or romance. While utilizing literary prose, womens fiction is very commercial in its appeal. Its characters are often women attempting to overcome both personal and external adversity.
Although womens fiction often incorporates grave situations such as abuse, poverty, divorce, familial breakdown, and other social struggles, it can also explore positive aspects within womens lives. Romantic love stories are also part of womens fiction, and although love stories are found in chick lit and romance, the mature depth and tone of their development within womens fiction set them apart from other genre classifications.
Are there differences between a Period Piece and Historical Fiction?
Would Wouks Youngblood Hawke be a period piece but not HF?
Amazons inventory 8/3/10
Total Books = 29,666,572
Literature / Fiction = 1,607,788
Subdivisions of Literature / Fiction
Womens Fiction = 990
Genre Fiction = 180,343
Subdivision of Genre Fiction
Historical Fiction = 52,920
from http://www.agentquery.com/genre_descriptions.aspx
Historical Fiction:
Historical fiction is often a work of literary fiction or commercial fiction in which the plot and story transpire during a distinct era in the past. True historical fiction portrays conflicts and characters that depended on a particular time period for their existence (Civil War battles and heroes, slave trade in colonial America, 18th-century British royalty, 1960s civil right leaders, etc.) These conflicts and characters are inseparable from the authors decision to set the story in a non-contemporary era; the historical time and place influence the unfolding narrative and the characters' struggles within it.
Historical fiction is a careful balance between fact and fiction; and although characters and events may be exaggerated or completely made up for the sake of a good story, accurate historical facts and details lend credence and legitimacy to the overall tale. Although literary or commercial fiction often incorporates historical elements into their stories for atmospheric effect, this is not the same as historical fiction, which uses historical settings and time periods to establish its core conflicts.
Womens Fiction:
Womens fiction is just that: fiction about womens issues for a female readership. However, it is not the same as chick lit or romance. While utilizing literary prose, womens fiction is very commercial in its appeal. Its characters are often women attempting to overcome both personal and external adversity.
Although womens fiction often incorporates grave situations such as abuse, poverty, divorce, familial breakdown, and other social struggles, it can also explore positive aspects within womens lives. Romantic love stories are also part of womens fiction, and although love stories are found in chick lit and romance, the mature depth and tone of their development within womens fiction set them apart from other genre classifications.
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[quote=""Madeleine""]A lot of people find the classics, Dickens especially, very difficult to read - I read A Christmas Carol last Xmas and, despite having seen lots of different screen versions, still found it a struggle and, as for The Chimes, I barely made it halfway through. Plus we've had debate before that the classics aren't HF as such, as the authors were writing about their own period of time.[/quote]
At the risk of being pedantic, both A Tale of Two Cities and War and Peace were published more than fifty years after the events they portray, so they are most definitely HF in my book. Sir Walter Scott is widely credited with having invented the whole genre (indeed, the Walter Scott Prize for historical fiction was inaugurated this year for just that reason) but he would no doubt fall under the heading of 'the classics'.
At the risk of being pedantic, both A Tale of Two Cities and War and Peace were published more than fifty years after the events they portray, so they are most definitely HF in my book. Sir Walter Scott is widely credited with having invented the whole genre (indeed, the Walter Scott Prize for historical fiction was inaugurated this year for just that reason) but he would no doubt fall under the heading of 'the classics'.
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I think that technically novels of the past which were about contemporary subjects don't count as historical fiction, although they can certainly give us an excellent picture of a particular period. By this criterion, Gustave Flaubert's Madame Bovary, for example, can't be called historical fiction, whereas his novel of ancient Carthage, Salammbo, certainly can.
I don't know why some people are saying "The Other Boleyn Girl" is a gateway into HF. That book bored the heck out of me, at least the 1/4 of it that I managed to read and that was enough for me....
Have never read Bernard Cornwell but at the bookstore today, I see that he's written a LOT of books. It seems that he must write 3, 4, or 5 books a year! How can he possibly write so much so quickly, and still produce quality reading material? Again, I've not read any of his books, but I intend to try one at some point. My first will probably be Stonehenge, since it's a subject that really interests me.
Have never read Bernard Cornwell but at the bookstore today, I see that he's written a LOT of books. It seems that he must write 3, 4, or 5 books a year! How can he possibly write so much so quickly, and still produce quality reading material? Again, I've not read any of his books, but I intend to try one at some point. My first will probably be Stonehenge, since it's a subject that really interests me.
[quote=""laktor""]I don't know why some people are saying "The Other Boleyn Girl" is a gateway into HF. That book bored the heck out of me, at least the 1/4 of it that I managed to read and that was enough for me....
Have never read Bernard Cornwell but at the bookstore today, I see that he's written a LOT of books. It seems that he must write 3, 4, or 5 books a year! How can he possibly write so much so quickly, and still produce quality reading material? Again, I've not read any of his books, but I intend to try one at some point. My first will probably be Stonehenge, since it's a subject that really interests me.[/quote]
One person's gateway is another person's crap. I think I started the post after seeing a website where someone had posed the question what 3 books would you suggest to get people reading. I transferred the question to the H/F genre. The point was that you had to think of 3 books where at least 1 of them was going to appeal to someone, and thus would not necessarily take your own reading tastes into consideration on every title. So, The Other Boleyn Girl might not suit me or you, but it would appeal to other sections of the readership. You have to think outside your own box.
I think Stonehenge is one of Bernard Cornwell's weaker novels. I confess I didn't finish it and I wouldn't advise it as a starter novel. I would say go with his Viking novels or Arthurian ones. I didn't get on with his Arthur ones myself but the majority of people who have read them, think they are great.
Gallows thief, his stand alone novel, is a great favourite of mine.
Have never read Bernard Cornwell but at the bookstore today, I see that he's written a LOT of books. It seems that he must write 3, 4, or 5 books a year! How can he possibly write so much so quickly, and still produce quality reading material? Again, I've not read any of his books, but I intend to try one at some point. My first will probably be Stonehenge, since it's a subject that really interests me.[/quote]
One person's gateway is another person's crap. I think I started the post after seeing a website where someone had posed the question what 3 books would you suggest to get people reading. I transferred the question to the H/F genre. The point was that you had to think of 3 books where at least 1 of them was going to appeal to someone, and thus would not necessarily take your own reading tastes into consideration on every title. So, The Other Boleyn Girl might not suit me or you, but it would appeal to other sections of the readership. You have to think outside your own box.
I think Stonehenge is one of Bernard Cornwell's weaker novels. I confess I didn't finish it and I wouldn't advise it as a starter novel. I would say go with his Viking novels or Arthurian ones. I didn't get on with his Arthur ones myself but the majority of people who have read them, think they are great.
Gallows thief, his stand alone novel, is a great favourite of mine.
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