"LoveHistory" wrote:I have at least one character who hails from Castlie or Aragon (haven't yet decided which). She was born in the very early 15th century, and is the daughter of a marriage her father's parents were against. Though officialy cut off from the family, her paternal grandmother did quietly help to support the couple and their child.
Need to know how many names (i.e. Maria Magdalena Constanza Lucia Teresa Juana Inez Surname de City) she would have been given as a sort-of member of the upper class. Which surname she would have been given (her mother was not Spanish). That sort of thing.
Might need help with respect to her father's name and a few of his relatives as well.
If you can give me any info, I'd appreciate it.
As a sufferer reader I wouldnt suggest more than 3 names for the poor kid
Still this custom is pretty "modern". Due to the big increase of population in the 19 century (too many cousins with the same names) it starts the obligation to add the name of the saint day. So girls are usually maned Maria (your choise name here) (the saint name here) which makes for 3 given names.
Middle ages: I cant find a reason for this but women used to have a given name and then a second name for which they were known. Its not a second name but a nickname. For instance: Doña Controdo known as Doña Urraca. Cant find the origin or reason for this. In many cases the doña gets attached: Muniadomna (Muniadoña)
Upper classes tended to have goth-german origin names like Gontrodo, Froiliuba, Hermesenda, Adosinda, Elvira, Muniadomna or Leodegundia. (For men: Nuño, Gutierre, Rodrigo, alfonso, Vermudo, Ramiro, Fruela, Gonzalo, Hermeneildo...) while in the lower classes names had usually roman origins: Aurea, Marcela, Marina, Julia, Faustina...
In the west (actual Cataluña) then the names had a big french root in there: Raimundo, Ponce, Arnaldo, Guillermo... not sure about girl names here. Low classes go for roman names everywhere.
Agagon falls in the vasque area which in that time included actual Pais Vasco of course plus Navarra, most of Aragon and Burgos in Castilla. (Which means the old Castilla (known as Bardulia) originates in a vasque speaking zone) Lower classes talked euskera, and not so low since official documents in both euskera and castillian arent that unusual. This is a zone very resistant to external influences. Thier names come from the vasque language or latiniced versions of them: Sancho, Galindo, Garcia, Iñigo,, Fortun, Velasco, Lope, Aznar, Jimeno, Diego for men and Urraca, Oneca, Mencía, Velasquita, Sancha and Jimena for women.
All the above is true until the 14th century. After that names get mixed up and you cant tell anymore the class of someone by his given name.
All of the actual surnames ended in -ez come from the given names in 14 and 15 cent. all of goth or vasque origin: Fernandez, Gutierrez, , Alvarez, Ramirez, Gonzalez, Muñoz, Sanchez, Lopez, Garcia, Diaz etc and names taken from saints like Domingo, Pedro, Juan, Martin or Bernardo.
So in the middle ages they chose surnames by its symbolism or how defining of its lineage it is.
Everything changes when Cardenal Cisneros in the second half of s. 15 promotes the obligation to inscribe births and deaths in the parishes records. This is when we start seeing the -ez surnames.
The older son gets the grandfather by his father name. The second son gets the grandfather by his mother name. It may be the other way when the mother is of better lineage or richer than the father. This custom keeps going till the 18th century. So you find the same names again and again. As an example the name Enrique didnt exist in the castillian dinasty until Alfonso VIII married Eleanor of Aquitaine so Enrique comes directly from Henry II.
When someone from the upper class marries someone from a lower class is the exception. Children of this union arent considered worthy of the dinasty. So their names dont take from the "good" part of the family.
Then there is the superstition or religious influence. Jaime I el Conquitador should have been named after his grandfather Alfonso. But his parents were in the process of anulation so instead records say they lighted 12 candles every one with an apostle name. The last to go off was Santiago (Jaume in catalan) so the kid was named Jaime.
Oh my god this is getting long and boring
Resuming, names have an hereditary origin in most cases, and they all have a date of introduction being an anachronism to use them before that.
-devotion names like Maria, Pedro, Francisco, Antonio, José...
-in the 14 and 15 centuries spanish noblesse adopted names from the arturain legend: Lancelot, Tristan, Galaor, Lionel, Galván, Perceval... (a short lived custom I think. Oh my)
- New names in a family are always introduced via marriage.
The new secular ideology allows nowadays all kind of strange new names.
Back to your question. I'd say the kid would get a name from her mothers family. And maybe a second name from that caring grandmother. The excess in the number of names never has sound too serious to me and I only relate it to very blue stock
Or to sudamerican families with nobility pretensions
Oh yah and sorry my mistakes. I can read english with no problems but writing it is something else...