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The Red Queen

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Misfit
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Postby Misfit » Sun August 8th, 2010, 5:56 pm

"Divia" wrote:What? She's the self proclaimed historian on the Tudor Era, surely you do not doubt anything she writs about? :p


Lol, how could I forget?

Maybe she did, but we can't find it! I don't think her website is very user friendly.


I agree. Looks pretty, lacks substance.
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cw gortner
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Postby cw gortner » Sun August 8th, 2010, 7:20 pm

On page 147, and I'm confused. I don't know the era all that well and Jaspar Tudor keeps coming and going, wars happen off-site, Margaret keeps mentioning her destiny, or lack thereof. And I have no idea what any of the characters look like, save for a few details (Margaret is small; Jaspar is freckled and tall; second husband reminds Margaret of Arthur, the horse).
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THE QUEEN'S VOW available on June 12, 2012!
THE TUDOR SECRET, Book I in the Elizabeth I Spymaster Chronicles
[B]THE CONFESSIONS OF CATHERINE DE MEDICI
THE LAST QUEEN
[/B]

www.cwgortner.com

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Susan
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Postby Susan » Sun August 8th, 2010, 7:29 pm

"cw gortner" wrote:And I have no idea what any of the characters look like, save for a few details (Margaret is small; Jaspar is freckled and tall; second husband reminds Margaret of Arthur, the horse).


CW, so it isn't just me? There is a definite lack of description of characters and setting, no figurative language, etc. I feel as if this whole novel is just Margaret's stream of consciousness.
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Postby cw gortner » Sun August 8th, 2010, 8:11 pm

"Susan" wrote:CW, so it isn't just me? There is a definite lack of description of characters and setting, no figurative language, etc. I feel as if this whole novel is just Margaret's stream of consciousness.


Yes, Susan, that's it! Perfect analogy. It is very steam of consciousness; it has a breathless feel to its pacing which, while engaging at moments, also falters because I feel as though I'm being dragged along inside Margaret's head with no way to get my physical bearings. I miss PG's strong sense of detail that permeate her other works. I just looked through my favorite of hers, The Boleyn Inheritance, and it reads almost like a different author's work.
THE QUEEN'S VOW available on June 12, 2012!

THE TUDOR SECRET, Book I in the Elizabeth I Spymaster Chronicles
[B]THE CONFESSIONS OF CATHERINE DE MEDICI
THE LAST QUEEN
[/B]



www.cwgortner.com

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Divia
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Postby Divia » Sun August 8th, 2010, 8:57 pm

Hmm, I see what you are saying CW.
I think it all boils down to what a few of us said before.
She cranks out these books, repeats herself constantly, but is lacking details. Its almost as if she doesnt care and wants the story written as quickly as possible.
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Susan
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Postby Susan » Sun August 8th, 2010, 10:09 pm

"Divia" wrote:She cranks out these books, repeats herself constantly, but is lacking details. Its almost as if she doesnt care and wants the story written as quickly as possible.



Just finished...and I felt like I wanted to get to the ending as quickly as possible!
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Divia
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Postby Divia » Sun August 8th, 2010, 10:29 pm

"Susan" wrote:Just finished...and I felt like I wanted to get to the ending as quickly as possible!


:D

I'm only on page 100...so I might feel the same way when I finish.

I think I've outgrown PG. She was great when I was anewbie, but now I want something more to my HF.
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Susan
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Postby Susan » Mon August 9th, 2010, 1:25 am

"Divia" wrote:I think I've outgrown PG. She was great when I was a newbie, but now I want something more to my HF.


My thoughts exactly!
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Postby cw gortner » Mon August 9th, 2010, 1:39 am

I read a bit more this afternoon. I do like seeing Henry VII as a child; you almost never think of him as being a little boy, and he's very fetching in the book. He's my favorite character so far. The Margaret / Jaspar angle is quite interesting, too.

Question for the period experts: PG keeps mentioning "jackets." At one point, Margaret even takes Jaspar by the "lapel" of his "jacket." What exactly does a Middle Ages jacket look like? The word threw me; suddenly, I was seeing Jaspar in a cute seersucker (striped red, to match his hair) ;)
THE QUEEN'S VOW available on June 12, 2012!

THE TUDOR SECRET, Book I in the Elizabeth I Spymaster Chronicles
[B]THE CONFESSIONS OF CATHERINE DE MEDICI
THE LAST QUEEN
[/B]



www.cwgortner.com

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Susan
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Postby Susan » Mon August 9th, 2010, 1:45 am

"cw gortner" wrote:I read a bit more this afternoon. I do like seeing Henry VII as a child; you almost never think of him as being a little boy, and he's very fetching in the book. He's my favorite character so far. The Margaret / Jaspar angle is quite interesting, too.

Question for the period experts: PG keeps mentioning "jackets." At one point, Margaret even takes Jaspar by the "lapel" of his "jacket." What exactly does a Middle Ages jacket look like? The word threw me; suddenly, I was seeing Jaspar in a cute seersucker (striped red, to match his hair) ;)


CW, you had me laughing visualizing Jasper in his jacket. Come to think of it, it WAS nice seeing Henry VII as a little boy. We usually think of him like this:

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