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Carla
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Postby Carla » Wed October 29th, 2008, 7:15 pm

"annis" wrote:Carla's right. Although there was an outdoor form of the game known as ground billiards played in Europe in the thirteenth/fourteenth centuries (still too early by a century or so for MOTATD), the first recorded instances of an indoor version date from the fifteenth century (the green cover is supposed to represent the grass of the outdoor version).

Diana Norman has spent a lot of time in the twelfth century (her earliest novels "Fitzempress' Law" and "King of the Last Days" are set in that period) so it's a bit surprising that she'd get it wrong.


I suppose it can always be argued that "first recorded" isn't necessarily the same as "first used", especially when the sources are patchy, as they usually are. Is Arianna Franklin a pen name of Diana Norman? I can never keep track.
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diamondlil
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Postby diamondlil » Wed October 29th, 2008, 7:38 pm

Yes Ariana Franklin is Diana Norman's pen name.

I am going to be starting The Gargoyle by Andrew Davidson on the train this morning.
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Lady Kippen
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Postby Lady Kippen » Wed October 29th, 2008, 7:48 pm

Almost finished with My Enemy's Cradle by Sara Young. I'm really enjoying it. I didn't even know that the Nazi's had a program like that. It's funny because the first time I picked up the book I couldn't get into it. But, I'm so glad I gave it a second chance.

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Postby EC2 » Wed October 29th, 2008, 9:11 pm

"annis" wrote:Carla's right. Although there was an outdoor form of the game known as ground billiards played in Europe in the thirteenth/fourteenth centuries (still too early by a century or so for MOTATD), the first recorded instances of an indoor version date from the fifteenth century (the green cover is supposed to represent the grass of the outdoor version).

Diana Norman has spent a lot of time in the twelfth century (her earliest novels "Fitzempress' Law" and "King of the Last Days" are set in that period) so it's a bit surprising that she'd get it wrong.


She is getting one heck of a lot wrong but all in the small detail that probably wouldn't bother most folk but it is doing my head in. I love her voice, I love the way the story is developing. Her Henry II is a wily, cheeky chappy, very different from SKP's portrayal and a bit tongue in cheek - but terrific. She obviously knows who was who, but she is getting a lot of the fine detail wrong and saying things like Henry's head was round like a 'cannon ball.' Rather like the billiards with a green baize board, that statement whipped me straight out of the story like a slap. They didn't have cannon balls then. I'm nearly sure that pewter pilgrim badges came later. Evidence for Pewter working as an industry dates to the late 13thC They didn't have heraldry on the tabards then. Heck, most of them didn't have tabards. It's emerging as all very Chaucerian somehow. Enjoyable, but irritating at the same time.
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MrsMorland
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Postby MrsMorland » Wed October 29th, 2008, 10:03 pm

Just about to crack open Here Be Dragons by Penman. Never read any of her books before and looking forward to it!

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Postby KingEricCantona7 » Wed October 29th, 2008, 10:19 pm

I'm currently on page 368 of Devil's Brood. I'm not doing too badly considering I only read during the last 45 minutes of my lunch hour and only started it on the 20th.

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Misfit
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Postby Misfit » Thu October 30th, 2008, 1:07 am

"MrsMorland" wrote:Just about to crack open Here Be Dragons by Penman. Never read any of her books before and looking forward to it!


You are in for a treat. Penman's best.

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Postby annis » Thu October 30th, 2008, 1:12 am

Almost finished with My Enemy's Cradle by Sara Young. I'm really enjoying it

Snap, Lady Kippen! I've just finished "My Enemy's Cradle" and mentioned it on the WWII thread earlier.

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Postby Michelle2 » Thu October 30th, 2008, 1:22 am

I read My Enemy's Cradle earlier in the year and loved it!
I've had such a busy, changing year for me and have done such little reading. :( A co-worker lent me an Ann Rule book (true crime) and I'm loving it. I hadn't read her for a few years, I had forgotten what a great writer she is.

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Postby Misfit » Thu October 30th, 2008, 1:35 am

A co-worker lent me an Ann Rule book (true crime) and I'm loving it.


Which one is it? I don't read true crime anymore, but she's the grande dame of the true crime genre. It's been years but Small Sacrifices still sends chills down my spine just thinking of Diane Downs.


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