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Holy Crap! Sarah Palin to be McCain's VP pick

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chuck
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Postby chuck » Thu September 11th, 2008, 4:01 pm

What is very scary is this....Seems like this election has turned into a popularity contest...."Who is more likeable?"....Bush won on likeability(he talks like us)(I could sit down and have a beer with him)...hmmmmmn....How did that work out?.....and lastly.....the American Public and their voting habits really bothers me....The country is slowly sinking like the Titantic and who gets the lifeboats?.....I would love to see Palin and Clinton in a open forum discussing the issues....

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LCW
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Postby LCW » Thu September 11th, 2008, 5:41 pm

"chuck" wrote:I would love to see Palin and Clinton in a open forum discussing the issues....



The problem with that is Hillary Clinton is not running for President or Vice President now. Palin needs to hash it out with Joe Biden, who is running for VP. Obama and McCain need to hash it out together! I think it's a sad indictment of the Republican party when their VP pick is more inspiring than the McCain, their Presidential nominee and the one who actually matters right now.

All this hoopla over Palin is just a distraction from the issues...which the Republicans welcome because on all the issues they fail miserably with most of the American people! I hope with tonight's interview with Palin (it's about freakin' time!!) we can begin to get to know her and the public can make decisions based on facts and not hype and rumor! Hopefully she will continue to give interviews like the other three and not hide from the press anymore.
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Postby LCW » Thu September 11th, 2008, 5:47 pm

"LoveHistory" wrote:And we obviously disagree on the definition of fact. Lack of evidence to the contrary is not enough for me. Facts should be concrete, not subject to changes in scientific knowledge. I know the theory of evolution, and I don't have a problem with it. But I do have a problem with people (not anyone on this forum) calling it a proven fact.



So you don't have a problem with Evolution but you don't believe it? I'm confused. And I'm sorry that the Scientific Method isn't sound enough for you. It was good enough to bring us all the Scientific and technological advancements we enjoy today so there must be something redeeming about it!

And I wasn't saying there is no evidence for Evolution. To say that there is a plethora of such information would be a huge understatement!! What I was trying to explain is that the Scientific process is set up so that knowledge can continualy be improved. The strength of Science is that the hypotheses are set up so that if or when better evidence or evidence to the contrary becomes available we can then improve or adjust our knowledge accordingly. There's no "This is what I think so this is how it is and nothing can convince me otherwise" in Science. Scientific conclusions ARE in fact based on evidence and the are rejected or modified based on contrary or additional information!
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chuck
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Postby chuck » Thu September 11th, 2008, 7:50 pm

Lila....Excellent remarks.....My hope is that Obama and Hillary Clinton start stumping together and Biden and Bill Clinton will do the same....Hillary could neutralize Palin and all the ridiculous media hype about her would go away....SP's speeches are so general, lack of real substance and so scripted and redundant....I have to admit she is really firing up the right and especially among women voters....I'm afraid that they are going to vote for her because she is a women/Hillary backlash and don't care about her politics.....In hindsight Obama should have invited Hillary to run with him....And now we have angry voters who want to see change ; good or bad.....the plus; is that Palin makes McClain look even more stiff, inept and a bumbler....he seems to be taking her lead and he want be our President?....Scary and nervous times ahead......And then we have men and some pundits calling Palin a "Real Babe"....."We have met the enemy and the enemy is US"....Pogo......This rant is ONLY my opinion....
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Postby chuck » Fri October 3rd, 2008, 4:41 pm

Re: the VP Debate.....Well Palin did not fall on her face....But I don't want a Joe Six Pack/Hockey Mom in the Oval Office....Her style reminds me of Bush..... His/her anti intellectual, folksy approach to circling around the issues and ducking questions....The debate forum was disappointing, the Moderator did not challenge Biden/Palin to stay on topic or answer the question and her followups were so weak......Winking to the audience what was that?
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Postby Margaret » Fri October 3rd, 2008, 6:20 pm

She is like an exaggerated version of George Bush. Scary.
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Postby LCW » Fri October 3rd, 2008, 6:35 pm

I agree! I'm very scared. Obama is up in the polls but that doesn't mean anything. Afterall, we all know the person who wins elections in this country isn't the one who always becomes President!

It just floors me that here in this country someone who comes from nothing and strives against all odds to get an education and pursue the American dream is called an elitist. Presonally, i'd like to have an intellectual as President. I want a President who can think and use critical thinking skills. And I certainly want a President who's IQ is higher than normal!! When did having a college education or graduate degree become a bad thing? Do Conservatives want an entire country full of ignorant uneducated Joe's who drink six packs? Perhaps so because that seems to be their target audience the past decade. It certainly would explain their abysmal record on education policy!!
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Books to the sky,

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Telynor
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Postby Telynor » Fri October 3rd, 2008, 11:00 pm

I want the best and brightest of our people leading this country, not necessarily the most charismatic or popular. I've hated this entire 'intellectuals are elistist snobs' attitude for years; there ought not to be any reasons to dumb yourself down in order to be accepted by the masses. I refuse to play that game, if someone doesn't like the fact that I can think and act to the best of my ability, well, I don't need to be around them either.

Considering that Our Fearless Leader and his pals rolled through Ivy League colleges because they were 'legacies' and daddy had deep pockets, with just C averages, it just makes me sick.

Yes, I know that Truman was a failure as a businessman, and really succeeded only when he got into politics -- but he was also a man who could use his brains too.

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Postby Helen_Davis » Sat November 15th, 2008, 3:08 am

"Divia" wrote:No one would say that if she were a man. Just throwin it out there.


I know it's a little late, but that's VERY VERY true! I didn't like either candidate


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