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Holy Crap! Sarah Palin to be McCain's VP pick

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Divia
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Postby Divia » Sat August 30th, 2008, 6:45 am

Well frankly I'm pleased that McCain did something Obama wouldn't do. Call me one of those scornful women I dont give a damn. I was not at all pleased by Obama's choice, and I"m still not.
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Postby tsjmom » Sat August 30th, 2008, 4:45 pm

I truly hate politics, but I have to say this is going to be one of the most interesting races I can remember. I liked Obama, but when he chose Biden as his running mate (whom I really liked) that pretty much sealed the deal for me. Although after 8 yrs of the worst president in American history, I would have voted for a monkey to get his cronies out of positions of power LOL!
Palin's pro-life position may negate that. He's also trying to strengthen his position with the Christian conservative, and her credentials in that area seem very solid.

Up until this election, I always admired McCain as that unique politician who stood up for what he believed in rather than just tow the party line. Both the Republican and Democrat parties have strengths and weaknesses in their policies - neither alone is perfect. As I've seen him go farther and farther to the right, when he's always been a moderate, to simply get the Republican nomination, I was dismayed. After I saw him pick a candidate who is so VASTLY UNDER QUALIFIED to be the second in command of the free world, I felt disgusted. It's crystal clear to me that it's only about winning and not about doing the right thing for him now :(
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Telynor
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Postby Telynor » Sat August 30th, 2008, 5:59 pm

That's part of the problem. It's only been about winning for several decades now, especially after the Nixon flap; that so corroded the public's confidence in our leadership that many just gave up. It's a pity too. Ford just couldn't wait to get out of office (can't blame him, he didn't want the job in the first place), Carter tried, Reagan and Bush I were there to push big business, Clinton was siderailed by scandal, and Bush II, well, we've seen what Bush II has done. I'm so disgusted by the mess that while I hope that Obama gets in, he'd better follow through on that speech from Thursday. Yes, I loath politics, but I also try to follow what is going on locally, and if there isn't someone or something to vote for, I know darn well there's going to be something to vote against.

I do hope that this will get the voters out this election.

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Postby tsjmom » Sat August 30th, 2008, 7:27 pm

"Telynor" wrote: I'm so disgusted by the mess that while I hope that Obama gets in, he'd better follow through on that speech from Thursday.

I do hope that this will get the voters out this election.


Completely agree! There were times I didn't want to vote because I didn't really like either candidate, but my DH said you have to pick the lesser of the evils.

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Divia
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Postby Divia » Sat August 30th, 2008, 7:51 pm

Yahoo did a whole write up..I'll try to find it. What Obama said and the harsh reality of what is going to happen.

I'm jaded. And as I get older I get more jaded. I think they are all the same. Its one big chess game and the prize is America. Its nothing more than who can get that "check mate"
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Postby Ash » Sat August 30th, 2008, 8:56 pm

TS Mom, I am so there with you. I live in McCain's state, and even tho he is much more conservative than I, I have always voted for him (granted, he never had much competition). I liked his common sense and his independence. Then after 2000 (and I would have voted for him), things changed. He wanted to be president too much. He drank the Bush/Cheney/Rove kool-aid and the result is here (its also in that hug picture with Bush). Never mind voting for him for pres, Im not even voting for him for senator.
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LCW
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Postby LCW » Mon September 1st, 2008, 3:35 pm

I knew McCain was going to do this, I knew it!! It doesn't matter to me because I don't like her politics and I'm not going to be fooled by this oh so transparent attempt to win Hillary voters.

I just wonder how Palin feels about McCain voting AGAINST the Violence Against Women act that Joe Biden, Obama's VP pick sponsored. And I wonder how Palin feels about McCains opposition to the Equal Pay For Equal Work act that is currently going through Congress. Of course they're both against a woman's right to choose and with 2-3 Supreme Court justice seats up for grabs in the next four years, there's no way I'm voting for McCain who has flat out stated he will nomiinate justices that will overturn Roe v. Wade.

Maybe when there's less at stake I'll consider voting for ticket with a woman on it JUST because there's a woman on it! But not right now!

Like Hillary Clinton so beautifully said: "No way, no how, no McCain"!!
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Telynor
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Postby Telynor » Mon September 1st, 2008, 9:02 pm

One thing over the years that I've started doing is that I look at what a candidate is against, and not so much is for. What frightens me so much about McCain and the rest of the Republican cabal is that they have been steadily whittling away at free speech, freedom of choice and freedom of belief, equality in the workplace and in pay, all of which falls into the hard right, evangelical movements. As a woman, and a minority, this scares the hell out of me.

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LCW
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Postby LCW » Tue September 2nd, 2008, 12:25 am

Absolutely, Telynor! And they do it all under the guise of "National Security"! If you keep people ignorant and scared you can do almost anything. Very scary indeed!
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Postby LCW » Tue September 2nd, 2008, 4:55 pm

I was wondering what everyone thought of all the hoopla around Palin's pregnant 17 yr. old daughter? Personally I think it goes to show that the abstinence only programs with zero real-world sex ed that her mother is for don't work! That's really the only point to be made. The rest of the sick voyerism that the media loves to engage in so much should just stop. It's a private family issue, her daughter is having the baby and her family is supporting her. That's great and I wish them well. As an unwed teenage mother (although she is supposed to marry the father) she has enough to deal with! Leave them alone!
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Books to the sky,

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How I love them! How I need them!

I'll have a long beard by the time I read them. --Arnold Lobel


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