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Lauryn
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Post by Lauryn » Sun April 26th, 2009, 8:15 am

[quote=""Chatterbox""]What has made me roll my eyes in amazement are the fake pedigrees that appear on genealogical websites [/quote]

My mom is using her retirement to transition from librarian to genealogy, and this type of claim drives her nuts. She commissioned a search from one of the better-known services in the early 80s, after having proven that so-and-so wasn't on our tree, but who was he confused with? They came back with a report including the false so-and-so, and Robert the Bruce. :eek: :eek:
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Post by LoveHistory » Mon April 27th, 2009, 2:50 pm

Originally Posted by Chatterbox
What has made me roll my eyes in amazement are the fake pedigrees that appear on genealogical websites
I think I've been on one or two of those. I once traced my ancestry through Trojan royalty all the way back to Noah. :D

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Post by Ken » Tue May 5th, 2009, 1:21 pm

Hi lauryn

I'm a new member and noticed your post on old French. Much of my research into the Savoyards and their influence on King Henry 111 and Edward 1 has involved trying to make sense of the French that they spoke/wrote at that time. I speak (modern!) French and then, just as now, there are the different dialects and regional differences to contend with as well.

If I have understood correctly, you understand modern French? If so, I have found a site that may help you: It's short name that you can Google (try Google France) is 'Histoire du Francais - La Periode Feudale - L'Ancien Francais (!X - X111 siecles);

The URL is very long: http://www.tlfq.ulaval.ca/axl/francopho ... ancais.htm but the google link should find it for you.

Hope that's of some help

Good luck!

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Post by Ken » Tue May 5th, 2009, 1:27 pm

Hi Lauryn

I just sent you a post about old french, but for some reason the URL which is very long, won't come out correctly in the actual post (not this box).

I'm sure you can find it on the Google address I gave you though

Ken

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Post by Ken » Tue May 5th, 2009, 1:45 pm

While carrying out the research for my book on the Savoyards/Edward/llewelyn/Master James, I found that I was losing track of one, while researching the other! So i decided to draw up a Time Line of the 4 Principal Chrarcters, from 1224 (roughly when LLewelyn ap G was born), month by month through the lives of all of them (as much as can be got from the records!) up to 1328 ( when the last of them Othon de Grandson died).

This Timeline gives me an accurate picture of what each of them was doing, or where they were, at the time that events were happening to the others. By this way, I hope to be able to weave the plot linking all of them into the overall story of the conquest of Wales and other matters, in as factual a way as possible.

I can only think that the top authors do something similar (SKP and EC??). If not, I would love to know how they get their time/place/character facts to align to correspond with the known history.

One problem is that I so enjoy doing this, I have hardly started the main story!!!!!

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Post by LoveHistory » Tue May 5th, 2009, 2:57 pm

Timelines are a great idea. Much better than my system of index cards strung out all over the house.

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Post by Lauryn » Tue May 5th, 2009, 8:53 pm

[quote=""Ken""]While carrying out the research for my book on the Savoyards/Edward/llewelyn/Master James, I found that I was losing track of one, while researching the other! So i decided to draw up a Time Line of the 4 Principal Chrarcters, from 1224 (roughly when LLewelyn ap G was born), month by month through the lives of all of them (as much as can be got from the records!) up to 1328 ( when the last of them Othon de Grandson died).

This Timeline gives me an accurate picture of what each of them was doing, or where they were, at the time that events were happening to the others. By this way, I hope to be able to weave the plot linking all of them into the overall story of the conquest of Wales and other matters, in as factual a way as possible.

I can only think that the top authors do something similar (SKP and EC??). If not, I would love to know how they get their time/place/character facts to align to correspond with the known history.

One problem is that I so enjoy doing this, I have hardly started the main story!!!!![/quote]

I had to smile at this, because I've been keeping track of which monarchs were contemporary with whom (and some related family trees) via a timeline since I got so heavily into reading HF some years ago. Your method is definitely appropros for mapping out the plot of an HF opus, and I plan to try it! I love spread sheets for this kind of thing - they are pretty flexible for the range of data that needs tracking.

As for your question regarding my facility with French - rusty high-school levels only, I'm afraid, so I'll need to start brushing up on that. I can read modern French quite slowly, but don't dare try chatting with any Francophones with my mangled accent. :D
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Post by EC2 » Tue May 5th, 2009, 9:08 pm

[quote=""Ken""]While carrying out the research for my book on the Savoyards/Edward/llewelyn/Master James, I found that I was losing track of one, while researching the other! So i decided to draw up a Time Line of the 4 Principal Chrarcters, from 1224 (roughly when LLewelyn ap G was born), month by month through the lives of all of them (as much as can be got from the records!) up to 1328 ( when the last of them Othon de Grandson died).

This Timeline gives me an accurate picture of what each of them was doing, or where they were, at the time that events were happening to the others. By this way, I hope to be able to weave the plot linking all of them into the overall story of the conquest of Wales and other matters, in as factual a way as possible.

I can only think that the top authors do something similar (SKP and EC??). If not, I would love to know how they get their time/place/character facts to align to correspond with the known history.

One problem is that I so enjoy doing this, I have hardly started the main story!!!!![/quote]

The research is totally addictive! I was enthusing to the dh last night that I think I might have found a link in the history of how Robin Hood came to be called Robin Hood and dating back to 1138 (found it in casual reading). Dh just grunted, totally underwhelmed.

As to timeline stuff. Ummm....I confess that I have a timeline written in my synopsis - which is detailed and written from initial research. Thus I know the time of the key dramatic events and the emotional pivot points on which the novel has to turn. Beyond that, I just keep it in my head and refresh my memory as I go along.
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Post by annis » Thu May 28th, 2009, 5:19 am

Posted by EC
The research is totally addictive! I was enthusing to the dh last night that I think I might have found a link in the history of how Robin Hood came to be called Robin Hood and dating back to 1138
That's exciting, EC! The 1378-ish mention in "Piers Plowman" is usually quoted as the earliest written record of the Hooded Man. Where did you find it?
http://books.google.com/books?id=sCbp8D ... t&resnum=1

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Post by annis » Thu May 28th, 2009, 5:19 am

Posted by EC
The research is totally addictive! I was enthusing to the dh last night that I think I might have found a link in the history of how Robin Hood came to be called Robin Hood and dating back to 1138
That's exciting, EC! The 1378-ish mention in "Piers Plowman" is usually quoted s the earliest record of the Hooded Man. Where did you find it?
http://books.google.com/books?id=sCbp8D ... t&resnum=1

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