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This is parenting?

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Misfit
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This is parenting?

Postby Misfit » Fri October 7th, 2011, 9:06 pm

I am beyond words, let alone that a book that encourages this kind of parenting is allowed in the marketplace.

Hana Williams was found dead in May - naked, face-down in the mud in her own backyard - after she had spent much of a cold, rainy day outside as a punishment, according to court documents.

Although she died of hypothermia, there were other contributing causes to her death, including severe malnutrition and chronic gastritis, doctors said.

The Williams had adopted Hana from Ethiopia in 2008 as a diseased little girl to begin a new life in America.

Instead, according to court records, she was beaten, starved, forced to sleep in a barn at times and deprived of love and basic necessities.



Further investigation revealed that Hana had a number of injuries on the night she died, including a large lump on the head, bloody marks and injuries "consistent with disciplinary impacts with a switch," according to court documents released Friday.

Those same documents describe the hellish life that Hana endured in the months before her death - which included systematic withholding of food, forced times outdoors in the cold or locked in a dark closet, interspersed with regular spankings or beatings with a plumbing tool.


A witness told investigators that the Williams got their ideas for the disciplinary measures from a book, "How to Train Up Your Child," which recommends switchings with a plumbing tool, cold water baths, withholding food and putting children out in cold weather as forms of punishment.
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LoveHistory
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Postby LoveHistory » Fri October 7th, 2011, 9:40 pm

It's a terrible thing that makes me feel sick.

But I have to say that it sounds like the problem is with those parents and not with the book. From what I have read about it, it sounds like they took some things way out of context and ignored the parts about love, and never disciplining when you're angry. "A witness" says they got the ideas from the book. Doesn't mean they did, or that all of the ideas came from that particular book.

I've read books with all kinds of odd and sometimes even stupid advice. I don't follow that advice. People read crime thrillers; they don't go out and commit those crimes. The parents are to blame here.

And no, that is not parenting.

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Misfit
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Postby Misfit » Fri October 7th, 2011, 10:10 pm

The first chapter(s) can be sampled via Kindle and I'm curious what is said in that portion. The idea of hitting any child with a flexible plumbing tube is just so wrong.

No, that is not parenting and something is very very wrong there. You wonder why they bothered to adopt the kids from Ethiopia in the first place.
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Postby boswellbaxter » Sat October 8th, 2011, 12:27 am

There's a mother here who adhered closely to the teachings of that book, including beating her children with PVC pipe. She was convicted of the murder of her four-year-old son a few years ago, although the method she used to kill him (wrapping him so tightly in blankets he suffocated) apparently wasn't from the book. One of the things she took with her to prison was that book.
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Postby Misfit » Sat October 8th, 2011, 12:56 am

I just read through the free sample and I have no intention of lining their pockets even at $3.95 for the kindle version. One quote on the problem of nursing babies biting their mothers,

"One particularly painful experience of nursing mothers is the biting baby. My wife did not waste time finding a cure. When the baby bit, she pulled its hair (an alternative has to be sought for bald-headed babies). Understand, the baby is not being punished, just conditioned...After biting two or three times, and experiencing pain in association with each bite, the child programs that information away for his own comfort. The biting "habit" is cured before it starts. This is not discipline. It is obedience training."


The free sample also includes a list of chapters, following are some but not all of them,

The Rod
Applying the Rod
Philosophy of the Rod
Child Labor
Attitude Training
"Religious" Whips
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Postby boswellbaxter » Sat October 8th, 2011, 1:19 am

The author has several books of this nature, and a website. He has many devoted followers. God knows how many children have been scarred, physically and psychologically, by his methods.

This is one person I would happily pay to see get a taste of his own medicine. Two people twice his size hitting him with PVC pipes--but not in anger, of course. That might adversely affect their aim.
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Postby rebecca » Sat October 8th, 2011, 1:46 am

OMG! :mad: I wouldn't train my dog like this let alone a child!!! Where are their brains?!! It beggars belief!

Bec :)

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Postby Nefret » Sat October 8th, 2011, 5:22 am

:eek: Beyond words at that article too.

Reading that website made me shudder.
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We have an urge to kill and our lust for blood has to be fulfilled
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Postby Vanessa » Sat October 8th, 2011, 10:29 am

How terrible and disgraceful!

I think we can all get to the end of our tether with our children (they can be so infuriating!), but there's no need to use those sort of methods.
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Postby EC2 » Sat October 8th, 2011, 11:39 am

Absolutely dreadful and disgusting. While children need to know the boundaries of what's acceptable and what's not, (and some of the parents appear to have loony attitudes as to what constitutes acceptable and what's a transgression) abusing them with violence is not one of the ways to a result.
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