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Lizzie Borden
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Divia, if we believe she'd murder, why would nudity be hard to accept? I know we have these ideas about Victorian womanhood, but she'd have transgressed that set of expectations pretty profoundly already to kill ...
I actually don't mind modern soundtracks with historical productions, just as a thing itself. When Sofia Coppola did it, people clutched their pearls, but the honest truth is most music used in period film and television has no connection to its purported setting, it all only evokes a certain atmosphere. If the piece fits, I have no real problem with its not being verifiably composed by someone known to be contemporary - and sometimes I like the tension or surprise of unexpected pieces.
That said, it CAN be done really badly, and often is. There's been a bad trend toward a sort of "history as a bunch of headbangers at a show" soundtrack which is embarrassing. I haven't seen the Borden production we're discussing, and rock does sound like it'd be an intrusive choice for really getting a serious investigative piece done right. Eesh!
I actually don't mind modern soundtracks with historical productions, just as a thing itself. When Sofia Coppola did it, people clutched their pearls, but the honest truth is most music used in period film and television has no connection to its purported setting, it all only evokes a certain atmosphere. If the piece fits, I have no real problem with its not being verifiably composed by someone known to be contemporary - and sometimes I like the tension or surprise of unexpected pieces.
That said, it CAN be done really badly, and often is. There's been a bad trend toward a sort of "history as a bunch of headbangers at a show" soundtrack which is embarrassing. I haven't seen the Borden production we're discussing, and rock does sound like it'd be an intrusive choice for really getting a serious investigative piece done right. Eesh!
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it jsut seems an odd thing for a lady to be like, yeah I'm gonna kill em and I'm gonna do it naked. Don't get me wrong I've read enough about Victorian history to know that women weren't all perfect. But wouldn't their be blood in her hair? It was a lot of blood. I dunno...who knows.
I disliked the rock music because during the funeral secene they were speaking and I was like wth I can't hear over the music.
I disliked the rock music because during the funeral secene they were speaking and I was like wth I can't hear over the music.
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I found the rock music jarring as well, but the movie wasn't as bad as I feared it would be.
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[quote=""SonjaMarie""]I found the rock music jarring as well, but the movie wasn't as bad as I feared it would be.
Christina was good.
SM[/quote]
Same here, it's very jarring.
About half way through, so cool with Comcast to pull up certain shows at any time and watch on any device - although I didn't need to see the bodies at 7AM
Been a while since I've seen the Elizabeth Montgomery version, but I'd recommend that over this one.
Would also agree with the previous comment (Diane?) about there being more going on in that house and some rough justice.
Christina was good.
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Same here, it's very jarring.
About half way through, so cool with Comcast to pull up certain shows at any time and watch on any device - although I didn't need to see the bodies at 7AM
Been a while since I've seen the Elizabeth Montgomery version, but I'd recommend that over this one.
Would also agree with the previous comment (Diane?) about there being more going on in that house and some rough justice.
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K, I finished. Definitely not a fan of the rock music, it did not fit the story well at all IMO. She appeared to be a bit of a nutter, and perhaps some Psycho-like music would have done better?
Question about her clothes, did they seem a bit mannish to anyone else? Particularly during the trial. Granted I'm no expert in Victorian era clothes, but those starched white collars she had with the man's (or mannish looking) tie on the inside looked just off. As did the dress she had on on the day of the murders. I thought at first it was a dressing gown. Or did I miss the party again?
Question about her clothes, did they seem a bit mannish to anyone else? Particularly during the trial. Granted I'm no expert in Victorian era clothes, but those starched white collars she had with the man's (or mannish looking) tie on the inside looked just off. As did the dress she had on on the day of the murders. I thought at first it was a dressing gown. Or did I miss the party again?
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Yes, the skulls were at the trial. I thought it was a dressing gown as well. Can't answer your other questions though sorry
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Yes a dressing gown, or that's what I thought.
http://www.victoriana.com/Fashion/victo ... gowns.html
Yes I thought the clothes mannish as well. And the dress she wore going out to the party threw me for a loop. I dont think it was period. Well, she was certainly showing more cleavage than I thought she should. LOL. Maybe I'm wrong.
I thought Christina did a good job, but I also think that.
Glad I wasn't the only one who disliked the music.
I wonder, and does anyone know if the ladies were courted? They were wealthy, it seems that someone would have sniffed around. ALthough I guess he was rather tight with his money so maybe no suiter wanted to bother. Just curious.
http://www.victoriana.com/Fashion/victo ... gowns.html
Yes I thought the clothes mannish as well. And the dress she wore going out to the party threw me for a loop. I dont think it was period. Well, she was certainly showing more cleavage than I thought she should. LOL. Maybe I'm wrong.
I thought Christina did a good job, but I also think that.
I wonder, and does anyone know if the ladies were courted? They were wealthy, it seems that someone would have sniffed around. ALthough I guess he was rather tight with his money so maybe no suiter wanted to bother. Just curious.
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I thought the performances were good but didn't like the script. It made no attempt to explain anything, so offered nothing new on the subject. There have to be some pretty compelling reasons to kill two people in such a vicious and calculated way. Far more interesting would be to know what happened to Lizzie AFTER all this. If she really was an insane, bloodthirsty lunatic it's hard to imagine she lived a normal life. But if that was the case, was she innocent? Or having got rid of the abusive/sadistic/controlling parents, were her problems solved and she was able to move on?
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[quote=""wendy""]I thought the performances were good but didn't like the script. It made no attempt to explain anything, so offered nothing new on the subject. There have to be some pretty compelling reasons to kill two people in such a vicious and calculated way. Far more interesting would be to know what happened to Lizzie AFTER all this. If she really was an insane, bloodthirsty lunatic it's hard to imagine she lived a normal life. But if that was the case, was she innocent? Or having got rid of the abusive/sadistic/controlling parents, were her problems solved and she was able to move on?[/quote]
agreed. I wish it would have explained why, kinda like you said. Was it incest? was she crazy? Was Lizzie n the maid lovers? Was it aliens? I mean give me something.
I dont think any movie has told what happened after. Have they? She was an outcast right?
agreed. I wish it would have explained why, kinda like you said. Was it incest? was she crazy? Was Lizzie n the maid lovers? Was it aliens? I mean give me something.
I dont think any movie has told what happened after. Have they? She was an outcast right?
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