[quote=""Madeleine""]
Enjoyed Troy too, lots of buff guys..... although Orlando Bloom was too lightweight to make a convincing hero, he was better in Kingdom.[/quote]
I enjoyed Troy too - acceptable as a popcorn movie, as you say. Though it bugged me that they totally cut out the gods and completely changed the end of the story - not for the better IMO
I guess the debate about authenticity will run and run. I don't mind corners cut and compression of events in order to tell the story - it's not possible to make a film without that. However, on these big-budget movies when gazillions is being spent on sets and costume and effects, you think at least they could get things like clothes, weapons & buildings right!
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Robin Hood, maybe not such a good guy after all?
To add to the controversy around Robin Hood (and at risk of sounding like a Philistine ), I love the BBC version, the latest series of which began tonight. Originally, I thought it was a lot of slapdash nonsense - with lots of anachronistic language etc. - but, as it has gone on, I think it really captures the essence of the myth of Robin Hood as the symbol of the English rebel standing up for real values. The purists are, apparently, most distressed by the introduction of the (fabulously attractive ) black actor David Harewood as Friar Tuck.
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... 989329.ece
However, apart from Robin having a northern accent (which I appreciate ) and the new Brother Tuck being a martial arts expert (okay, it doesn't fit historically) I love the underlying message of the programme about all England once stood for and how excessive taxation has brought the country to its knees. The whole interpretation makes the series relevant and -beyond the glib lines and slapdash stuff - seems to speak to something in the English psyche about this long-awaited/lomg-lost hero (be it Herne the Hunter or Arthur or Robin Hood) who will somehow come back and restore everything. I think it speaks to that little Arthur/Robin/Herne in all of us. And I really like this altogether different Friar Tuck!
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... 989329.ece
However, apart from Robin having a northern accent (which I appreciate ) and the new Brother Tuck being a martial arts expert (okay, it doesn't fit historically) I love the underlying message of the programme about all England once stood for and how excessive taxation has brought the country to its knees. The whole interpretation makes the series relevant and -beyond the glib lines and slapdash stuff - seems to speak to something in the English psyche about this long-awaited/lomg-lost hero (be it Herne the Hunter or Arthur or Robin Hood) who will somehow come back and restore everything. I think it speaks to that little Arthur/Robin/Herne in all of us. And I really like this altogether different Friar Tuck!
It was that atavistic and mystic Herne/forest spirit thing which appealed to me about "Robin of Sherwood", helped along by Clannad's plangent Celtic music.
As far as medieval realism goes, I think that it's hard to beat my copy of the "Brother Cadfael series based on the books by Ellis Peters, and starring Derek Jacobi. It's always wet and muddy, life is short and often brutal, and many of the characters are authentically snaggle-toothed and suffering skin complaints!
As far as medieval realism goes, I think that it's hard to beat my copy of the "Brother Cadfael series based on the books by Ellis Peters, and starring Derek Jacobi. It's always wet and muddy, life is short and often brutal, and many of the characters are authentically snaggle-toothed and suffering skin complaints!
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The Brother Cadfael TV series was superb. Filmed in Hungary, I believe. The sets were terrific. And so was the sheriff. And of course Derek Jacobi is incapable of doing anything less than a stellar acting job.
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My mother makes a joke (okay, and we're American for all the British on this board), that there are about 12 great British actors and they go from movie to movie. Let's see: Derek Jacobi, Judi Dench, Kenneth Branagh, Jeremy Irons, David Thewlis, Alan Rickman, Emma Thompson . . .
We homeschool and at one point watched Sense and Sensibility, Henry V, Pride and Prejudice, and the hilariously campy Kevin Costner Robin Hood, just to see Alan Rickman play the Sheriff (see back on topic!).
I liked Kingdom of Heaven--but the director's cut makes SO much more sense than the cinema version, which you kind of have to watch through half-slitted eyes.
We homeschool and at one point watched Sense and Sensibility, Henry V, Pride and Prejudice, and the hilariously campy Kevin Costner Robin Hood, just to see Alan Rickman play the Sheriff (see back on topic!).
I liked Kingdom of Heaven--but the director's cut makes SO much more sense than the cinema version, which you kind of have to watch through half-slitted eyes.
I loved Alan Rickman's Sheriff: "You. My room. 10:30 tonight. <points to next girl> You. 10:45... And bring a friend." He was so manic in that moment, I was certain he'd be too drunk by then to remember why the parade of women had suddenly started!
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