Who do you think will become our next president?

[Divia]

Today is the day!! Vote everyone :)

So who is it? Obama or McCain?

I think its gonna be Obama, but it is really tight in some states.

Your thoughts?

[donroc]

If one believes the polls, it should be Obama. Based on the past two elections, I cannot say for certain. Because of so many possibilities of fraud and so many lawyers, we may not know for weeks if the voting is close in any of the key "battleground" states.

We reside in a county where one sees overwhelmingly McCain/Palin signs and which generally votes Republican.

At the local community college, I saw students with McCain/Palin T-shirts, and handouts that read: Annoy Your Professor. Vote McCain/Palin.

It was the opposite when we lived in Hollywood in the Fairfax neighborhood, Henry Waxman's district.

It will be a long night, and a longer week or more if it is as close as the past two.

As mentioned on another thread, some of the Propositions will be of more immediate importance to many than the overall election.

[boswellbaxter]

Well, I'm hoping that the polls of Dixville Notch, NH (15 of 21 for Obama) are indicative. Dixville Notch went Democratic (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/dixville.notch/index.html) for the first time since 1968.

[Rowan]

I'm concerned with two things right now...

1. Being more afraid of the average citizen than I am of anything else.
2. The outcome of a local vote for a senate seat.

[SonjaMarie]

I hope Obama, but I don't know if history is on our side.

SM

[Carine]

There is a poll on the newspaper site here and 80 % of the people that put a vote in have voted for Obama ! I really think most of us hope for Obama to win and I'm one of them.

[LCW]

Obama by a landslide! We Dems are so paranoid and used to losing elections that we're too afraid to acknowledge the obvious. And of course, Obama has to win by a landslide to make up for all the votes that are stolen as have been in the past!!

[SonjaMarie]

Obama by a landslide! We Dems are so paranoid and used to losing elections that we're too afraid to acknowledge the obvious. And of course, Obama has to win by a landslide to make up for all the votes that are stolen as have been in the past!!

Amen to that!

SM

[Catherine Delors]

Because of so many possibilities of fraud and so many lawyers, we may not know for weeks if the voting is close in any of the key "battleground" states.

Please, Donroc, don't blame the lawyers for any upcoming mess! Blame it on the electoral college system. :(

[Divia]

I think that if McCain wins then people will be screaming there was voter fraud.

if Obama wins we won't hear the end of it for the next eh...10 years.

[donroc]

Please, Donroc, don't blame the lawyers for any upcoming mess! Blame it on the electoral college system. :(

Imperfect as it is, the electoral system prevents the worse insanity of too many parties. So far, we are still the United STATES, not the United People, and the states do the electing..

Lawyering happens only in close elections anyway, and this one may well be a blowout. 2000 was an anomaly.

[cw gortner]

Obama! He's got 206 electoral votes right now, vs McCain's 135. I cast my vote more for the Democratic Party than Obama specifically; I was a Hillary Clinton supporter, though I do believe it's high time a person of color became our president. And if he does win - which appears most likely - my faith in the USA will be somewhat restored. After the past 8 years of Republican madness, it's time the country woke up and smelled the deficit.

[Divia]

I wanted a woman before anything else. And I didnt get that. And I'm still a jaded, pissed off hillary supporter. So I voted for her. Once again women were pushed to the side, like all the other damn times.


I dislike Obama and I am not in the mood for 4 years of his crap. And now that the house and senate are going Dem I'm so not in the mood to watch my money be thrown away to any lowlife. I struggle enough but I get NOTHING. I'm tired of it. Damn tired of it. :mad::mad::mad:



"The prejudice against color, of which we hear so much, is no stronger than that against sex. It is produced by the same cause, and manifested very much in the same way."

Elizabeth Cady Stanton

[SonjaMarie]

Obama won?! Online, on TV I'm seeing that he's been declared the winner, but is it really real, can I celebrate yet?!

SM

[LCW]

Yep, it's official! Barack Obama is our next President! This is so huge for our country and the world. We had a choice to continue on with the old divisive politics, trickle down economics, and support of an immoral war but we as a country chose a different path. I was a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton but seeing how Obama ran his campaign and how he never descended into the ugliness that was directed towards him by the McCain campaign gave me tremendous respect for him and made me much more comfortable supporting him. This was a turning point in history and I feel we are on a very positive constructive path. The "White Only" sign on the White House has been torn down. Next time we'll tear down the "Men Only" sign!!!!

The only blight is that it looks like CA Prop 8 will pass. It gives me a knot in my stomach on what is otherwise a very positive night for America! My heart goes out to all the couples in CA who will have been discriminated against by this travesty! Sooner or later though justice and tolerance will prevail. It just sucks that it looks like it'll be later instead of sooner this time.

[Divia]

Umm yipppeee.

I heard, though I dont know if this is true or not..the dems want to make another stimulas package. Yeah, change indeed!

As to that men only sign. BS. That's never going to be torn down.

[Ludmilla]

Well, I wasn't too keen on either candidate (and I don't care much for Hillary, either), so I guess this just makes things interesting. I'm very apolitical; I hate partisan politics and I've seen it grow nastier every term; so much so that I've grown quite thoroughly disgusted with the far left and the far right and most particularly political posturing and propaganda that gets spit out and regurgitated by both sides. There's not a party out there that represents "me". I doubt there ever will be.

I am encouraged that McCain gave a gracious concession speech. As for women in politics, I think some inroads were made this election with women being elected to offices in their state or in Congress, but I do not vote according to race, gender or one overriding issue; I vote for whom I think is the best qualified and the most willing to work toward pragmatic and reasonable solutions given the circumstances we face (and at least half the time, I feel that person doesn't exist). As for racism in this country - because I get the feeling other countries have this skewed vision of how problematic it is in this country - I very much feel that it's overstated. Sure, there are pockets that still have issues, but by and large in the working world, racism is something I feel is behind us (and has been for a number of years, not because of this historic election). I am white, live in a neighborhood that is 65% Black; 20% Hispanic and 15% White/Other. My kids go to public school. I work for a global firm where I'd bet over 50% of our professionals are other than white and our executives come from diverse ethnic backgrounds. Over 75% of the MBA's we've hired this year were not born in the US, but were educated here and now reside here. What does that tell you? I don't see racism as an issue any longer, and I didn't see it as an issue in this election. I only see racism as an issue for people holding outdated grudges and wanting to advance a political agenda.

This is a rare thing for me to even comment about politics. I regard politics as something deeply personal and private. I do see this as an historic moment for us, but I'm going to grow tired of hearing about it if they don't move forward and work together to get things done. I do not believe, and will never believe, that one, single person can solve any nation's problems (nor do I believe that one person is responsible for all of them).

[Misfit]

I'm very apolitical; I hate partisan politics and I've seen it grow nastier every term; so much so that I've grown quite thoroughly disgusted with the far left and the far right and most particularly political posturing and propaganda that gets spit out and regurgitated by both sides.

I heard that, we had a couple of tight races here in Washington State that went way over the top in nastiness. I am so happy to turn on the TV today and not have to hear one more vicious political ad.

[donroc]

There's more than enough nastiness to go around on the political posts too where I am an arbiter at AW.

Some cannot handle disagreement and get personally vicious. Politics is religion for too many, and even genial skepticism is viciously attacked.

[Eigon]

I think Divia is overly pessimistic about the 'Men Only' sign. After all, India's had a woman prime minister, and so have the Phillipines (sp?), Ireland, Israel, and we had Mrs T here in the UK, so why not in the States?

[Divia]

I think Divia is overly pessimistic about the 'Men Only' sign. After all, India's had a woman prime minister, and so have the Phillipines (sp?), Ireland, Israel, and we had Mrs T here in the UK, so why not in the States?

Yeah, and here we are supposed to be the cream of the crop and we cant do it. Makes ya think about America and what it really stands for.

There's more than enough nastiness to go around on the political posts too where I am an arbiter at AW.

Some cannot handle disagreement and get personally vicious. Politics is religion for too many, and even genial skepticism is viciously attacked.

OMG I HATE that place. I used to be there and everyone was sooo snarky. It was a mess and finally I had enough of their abuse and left. I learned more on here then I ever did there about writing.

[Ash]

What is AW? (Not that I want to go there, just curious)

[donroc]

What is AW? (Not that I want to go there, just curious)


Absolute Write forum. It is an excellent site for reasons other than politics. Simply stay away from those threads if you want to avoid the poison that can permeate some posts.

They have threads for all genres and plenty of valid information about agents, publishers, and bewares of scammers and such.

I have met some great people on that site and received much useful information. And it is another place for writers to receive beta critiques as well as a place to promote their published writing.

[Divia]

My experience was not the same. I had run ins with very snarky writers in the YA section and the HF section.

[SonjaMarie]

My experience was not the same. I had run ins with very snarky writers in the YA section and the HF section.

I think I remember when you stopped going there a few year or so ago. I'm so glad we don't have people like that here!

SM

[Divia]

Yes, Everyone is very pleasant here! :)

[Hoopking]

Yes, Everyone is very pleasant here!

I have only been in this forum for a couple days and already see the difference in the quality of the comments. Most of the ones I have tried wind up in very stupid and crude undertone. The fighting and bickering is not what I want in life. I enjoy the pleasant debating and banter that I am finding here and the aknowledgement that you have all shown me.

Thank you all.

[Divia]

Yeah we rock. :D

[Eigon]

I go on Absolute Write, and usually enjoy it - but I stay away from the politics threads.
I learned my lesson on ibdof, a site for discussing books generally (but often SF and Fantasy). Here in the UK my views are not particularly extreme in either direction, but there the American posters all seemed to be somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun, even when they had perfectly reasonable views on other issues, and they couldn't believe how left wing I was!

[Divia]

Some people have had great experiences on AW, but even I couldnt find anything helpful in the non political threads save more snarky people. To each their own!