The Jacobites

[diamondlil]

I learnt something new today and that was about the early attempts by the Jacobites to return the Stuarts to the throne. Through reading quite a few books over the years I am relatively familiar with the story of the events that led to Culloden, but these earlier attempts have eluded me.

So my question is anyone know any good books dealing with the earlier attempts, or even I guess the Jacobites during the whole of the 1700s

[Misfit]

Only these two come immediately to mind

Devil Water (http://www.amazon.com/Devil-Water-Anya-Seton/dp/1556526598/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245930037&sr=1-1) Anya Seton

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The Jacobite Trilogy (http://www.amazon.com/Jacobite-Trilogy-D-K-Broster/dp/1851526072/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245929336&sr=1-1) by DK Broster. I have this one languishing on a shelf somewhere long forgotten.

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[Kveto from Prague]

Only these two come immediately to mind

Devil Water (http://www.amazon.com/Devil-Water-Anya-Seton/dp/1556526598/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245930037&sr=1-1) Anya Seton

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The Jacobite Trilogy (http://www.amazon.com/Jacobite-Trilogy-D-K-Broster/dp/1851526072/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245929336&sr=1-1) by DK Broster. I have this one languishing on a shelf somewhere long forgotten.

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Ive read the jacobite trilogy (bought it in Scotland, go figure). I dont remember too much about it, not bad nothing special. it was a bit annoying in that all of the characters on both sides were so honour bound that it came off as really unrealistic. I do remember it being fair to both sides, each had its heroes. and it has a very nice cover.

I reckon Nigel Tranter must have done some Jacobite stuff at some point.

K

[Misfit]

Ive read the jacobite trilogy (bought it in Scotland, go figure). I dont remember too much about it, not bad nothing special. it was a bit annoying in that all of the characters on both sides were so honour bound that it came off as really unrealistic. I do remember it being fair to both sides, each had its heroes. and it has a very nice cover.

I reckon Nigel Tranter must have done some Jacobite stuff at some point.

K

I'm sure Tranter has something but he can be dry as dirt.

[Carla]

Nigel Tranter's The Clansman covers Rob Roy MacGregor and his involvement in the 1715 Jacobite rising. It's the middle one of his MacGregor trilogy but I haven't read the other two. (Was bought it by a relative who had no idea it was part of a trilogy, and never got round to finding the others). I'd rate it around the middle of Tranter's range - not up to the Bruce Trilogy (which I really like), but a lot more engaging than some of his output. It's one of his earlier books and they tend to be his best, in my view. I think his writing got dustier with age. Worth a go, especially if you can get it from a library to find out if you get on with his style.

[Susan]

Here's a website for background information. The current Jacobite claimant is Francis II, Duke of Bavaria. He has no children, so his younger brother Max is the next claimant. Both Francis and Max are in their 70s. Interestingly, the third in line is Max's daughter Sophie who is married to Alois, the Hereditary Prince of Liechtenstein.

http://www.jacobite.ca/

[Misfit]

Mention of Rob Roy MacGregor brings me to mind that Sir Walter Scott wrote a book called Rob Roy and I'm guessing it's about the same man. It is also languishing at the bottom of TBR.

[Carla]

Mention of Rob Roy MacGregor brings me to mind that Sir Walter Scott wrote a book called Rob Roy and I'm guessing it's about the same man. It is also languishing at the bottom of TBR.

It is. I've read it. It's in Scott's usual longwinded Victorian style (reasonably enough), and I remember I found it a bit of a slog. Also, if I remember rightly, the Jacobite rising and Rob Roy are more in the line of dramatic background and the main plot is about a couple of fictional characters who are only obliquely involved.

[donroc]

There is a little seen film starring David Niven in the title role, Bonnie Prince Charlie.

[annis]

There is an older novel by Ralph Arnold, called "Northern Lights: The Story of Lord Derwentwater" , about the 1715 Jacobite rising and its disastrous aftermath for the Derwentwater family.

*Edit
Just thought I'd add in 2 books mentioned by Ariadne elsewhere about the Glorious Revolution of 1688, which I think counts as an early Jacobite uprising, even if it was replacing one Stuart with another. It certainly marked the start of the whole cycle of Jacobite rebellions.

Meredith Stephure
"Civil Blood"

Ellis Dillon
"Wild Geese"

[penelope29]

Sophia's Secret by Susanna Kearsley touches on this, I think! It's a time slip novel and one I enjoyed very much.

[diamondlil]

The Winter Sea/Sophia's Secret was the book that I read that prompted this question. I loved it!

[annis]

Someone on Amazon mentioned Sophie Gee's "Scandal of the Season" (http://www.amazon.com/Scandal-Season-Novel-Sophie-Gee/dp/1416540563), which might fit here It's set in 1711 London, and involves a Jacobite plot, and how players in it inspire Alexander Pope's "The Rape of the Lock".

[Misfit]

Someone on Amazon mentioned Sophie Gee's "Scandal of the Season" (http://www.amazon.com/Scandal-Season-Novel-Sophie-Gee/dp/1416540563), which might fit here It's set in 1711 London, and involves a Jacobite plot, and how players in it inspire Alexander Pope's "The Rape of the Lock".

I had that out from the library recently and didn't make it very far. Something wasn't clicking and I went back to look at the one and two star reviews and found my answer.

[Chatterbox]

My first pick would be Devil Water, which is excellent.

The DK Broster trilogy is the classic book.

One of Diana Norman's books, Blood Royal, deals with a fictional noblewoman caught up in the Jacobite 'cause'. The plot is improbable, but the books is a very good read overall. I think it also features Alexander Pope!

Susanna Kearsley's book deals, I think, with the 1715 rebellion. It's harder to find books about that than "the '45", which led to Culloden. Partly because the Old Pretender was a dull dog compared to Bonnie Prince Charlie.

I'm fairly sure one of Reay Tannahill's earlier books deals with the 1745 rebellion or its aftermath. Evelyn Anthony wrote two books about the 1745 and its aftermath -- the Wild Geese at the French court. The first is the one most along the lines you're looking for -- Clandara. The second is set exclusively in France.

Some of the Morland series by Cynthia Harrod-Eagles would cover the timeframe.

I've got little patience with contemporary Jacobite claimants. For starters, James II did, de facto if not de jure, abdicate in the face of a threat (vs holding his ground.) Also, while the Act of Succession of 1701 (on the death of James II, the one that debars a Catholic from inheriting the throne) was passed during Queen Anne's reign (an invalid reign in Jacobite eyes), it was during the reign of several viable challengers. After that Act was passed, two efforts were made to oust the Hanoverians (both failed), and the obvious legitimate line died out. The current line descends via the House of Savoy -- Catholics, and descended from the youngest child of Charles I, who never lived in England after she was a few months old, and whose descendants have had no ties with their 'homeland'. Not surprisingly, no one has pursued the claim for 200 years...

[annis]

I'm stumped on the Reay Tannahill title, CB- can't recall one with Jacobites, thougH RT did tackle Mary QOS in "Fatal Majesty"

[Chatterbox]

Maybe it was a post-Jacobite theme, Annis? I know there's something out there and it's making me a bit crazy...

For fans of quirky romantic fiction, there is Laura Black's Albany.

[boswellbaxter]

Maybe it was a post-Jacobite theme, Annis? I know there's something out there and it's making me a bit crazy...

For fans of quirky romantic fiction, there is Laura Black's Albany.

The World, the Flesh, and the Devil?

[Chatterbox]

Nope, BB -- that one is excellent, but it's squarely in your era - early 15th century, post papal schism, set around the Scottish court of James I of Scotland and his wife, Joan Beaufort, and their rebellious nobles who thought James was just too English (and murdered him.)

I may be muddling up "in Dark & Distant Waters" with memories of some historical romances, like those by Constance Heaven. I think she set one of her novels in 18th C scotland -- The Fires of Glenlochly? Or was that 19th c? Sigh. Early onset Alzheimer's, no question. I couldn't even remember the name of the game Musical Chairs earlier today.

[boswellbaxter]

Nope, BB -- that one is excellent, but it's squarely in your era - early 15th century, post papal schism, set around the Scottish court of James I of Scotland and his wife, Joan Beaufort, and their rebellious nobles who thought James was just too English (and murdered him.)

I may be muddling up "in Dark & Distant Waters" with memories of some historical romances, like those by Constance Heaven. I think she set one of her novels in 18th C scotland -- The Fires of Glenlochly? Or was that 19th c? Sigh. Early onset Alzheimer's, no question. I couldn't even remember the name of the game Musical Chairs earlier today.

Well, you got me over to PaperbackSwap to find a copy of The World, the Flesh, and the Devil! My credits disappear as fast as I get 'em.