The Tudors chat

[Perdita]

Who wants to talk about this series? I can't be the only one who's completely obsessed with it! (it's my guilty secret) :D

[boswellbaxter]

I'm game! Which season are you watching?

[Perdita]

Hooray! I'm halfway through season 2 at the moment. Anne has just had a miscarriage and Henry is starting to play around. :rolleyes:
Sir Thomas More and Bishop Fisher have just been executed. It was so sad and so well played by both actors, I got quite tearful watching it. I didn't think much of the first season but this one is much better. It seems to have got over the whole smutty thing and started concentrating on telling a story (inaccurate but fun, imo!)
Are you on season 3 in the US yet?

[boswellbaxter]

Hooray! I'm halfway through season 2 at the moment. Anne has just had a miscarriage and Henry is starting to play around. :rolleyes:
Sir Thomas More and Bishop Fisher have just been executed. It was so sad and so well played by both actors, I got quite tearful watching it. I didn't think much of the first season but this one is much better. It seems to have got over the whole smutty thing and started concentrating on telling a story (inaccurate but fun, imo!)
Are you on season 3 in the US yet?

No. Season 2 ended here a couple of months back, so I don't think we'll be getting season 3 until 2009.

I agree that the second season is a lot better than the first one. The episode with More was haunting and very well done, and so was the final episode of season 2.

[princess garnet]

It'll be great if Channel 101 on DirecTV has season 2. They had an edited season 1 earlier this year.

[Perdita]

The series has made me think about Anne Boleyn in different way than before. I really hated Anne after reading PG's TOBG and David Starkey's 'Six Wives' but Natalie Dormer's portrayal has made me feel more sympathetic towards her.
I'm loving Peter O'Toole as the Pope as well.. his face when Michaelangelo stormed out of the Sistine Chapel was priceless :D

[SonjaMarie]

It'll be interesting to see what they do with Joss Stone at Anne of Cleves and if Henry will become even more disgusting in his looks and weight.

SM

[Perdita]

It'll be interesting to see what they do with Joss Stone at Anne of Cleves and if Henry will become even more disgusting in his looks and weight.

SM

Joss Stone might be quite good as A of C if she can master the accent. I can't imagine they'll make Jonathan Rhys Meyers look ugly but they might get him to start playing Henry as really, really unhinged. He's already going that way

[Madeleine]

I don't think JRM could ever look ugly either, but he does do unhinged really well.

[SonjaMarie]

Oh that he does indeed! First time I saw him was in "Gormenghast", he was good looking and creepy at the same time. The first time I really saw him as someone very sexy and likable was in "Bend It Like Beckham", he took my breathe away in a few scenes, *fans self*. But him playing Henry doesn't do anything for me at all.

SM

[sweetpotatoboy]

Recent article in The Times about how they're not going to bother making Henry fat as he gets older.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article4641310.ece

[SonjaMarie]

Sigh :P

I was hoping for maybe a little accuracy there!

SM

[boswellbaxter]

If Henry's svelte, it doesn't give Katherine Howard much of an excuse for fooling around, does it?

[SonjaMarie]

I guess he'll just have to treat her really really badly.

SM

[sweetpotatoboy]

If Henry's svelte, it doesn't give Katherine Howard much of an excuse for fooling around, does it?

Well, he would still be around 51 in the year she was executed whereas she would be anything from 17 to 22 (her year of birth is unclear). So, provided they get the gap in age more or less right, she would still think of him as ancient, however good shape he was in for his age. Though it sounds like they will age him a bit but probably nowhere near enough.

Even nowadays most 17-year-old girls would not look twice at a man of 40, let alone 51, however attractive, if a male of much nearer her own age was around, methinks. All the more so back then.

[Mara]

They say they're going to age him well. Oh yeah! :rolleyes: Somehow him staying slim defeats the object. But then, it's only make believe telly. :p

[Perdita]

So in tonight's episode, Henry is starting to regret the death of Sir Thomas More.. like 'Woops, sorry Thomas. I didn't mean to chop your head off!' :rolleyes:

It looks as though he's going to use it as an excuse to get rid of Anne. How historically accurate is this, does anyone know? Did he blame her and use Sir Thomas' death as an excuse to get all the adultery rumours in motion?

[Alaric]

I'm far from a Tudor-era expert (in fact I rather dislike it after the saturation it's received recently and rarely read anything on it) but as far as I know the main thing Henry blamed Anne for was, as always, failure to provide a male heir. That would have been the overriding reason more than anything.

[Ellie]

I just watched season 1 on DVD and thought it was alright. I don't really know much (or anything really) on that time period so don't know much about historical accuracy. I thought there was too much sex though- I'm definately not a prude and don't mind a good sex scene but I think they went a bit overboard (maybe to keep viewers interested who would not otherwise be that into history?).
Sam Neill, (a terrific actor) was fantastic and I quite enjoyed looking at Charles Brandon (or the actor that played him anyway :D).

Anyone know when I can expect it on DVD in Australia?

[diamondlil]

Hi Ellie

Season 1 has been out for a while now. Not sure when we will get Season 2.

[sweetpotatoboy]

AA Gill wrote a review a few weeks ago in The Sunday Times:
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article4430389.ece
(his comments on The Tudors start about a third of the way into the article).

Not sure if he coined the term 'chick-hist' himself, though...

[Alaric]

Season 1 has been out for a while now. Not sure when we will get Season 2.

March, I believe.

[Perdita]

AA Gill wrote a review a few weeks ago in The Sunday Times:
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article4430389.ece
(his comments on The Tudors start about a third of the way into the article).

Not sure if he coined the term 'chick-hist' himself, though...

AA Gill makes me laugh! Wurzel Gummidge hats?! He's right about Henry being a bit camp though :D

[nona]

I was dying to see this series, watched the first episode and quit watching. I'm thinking I need to rent season one and two so I can see what everyone is talking about I just thought it was oring and too sexual on that first show....so I'm going to give it another go, is there going to be another season you think?

[Tanzanite]

The rather graphic sex that was shown in the first couple of episodes doesn't appear in every one, and by season two, I thought it was pretty tame for the most part (with a couple of exceptions). There is going to be a third season (I think they are filming it now).

[EC2]

AA Gill makes me laugh! Wurzel Gummidge hats?! He's right about Henry being a bit camp though :D

It was the comment about the furry dressings gowns and mad granny jewelery that made me splutter - spot on!

[pat]

Due to the reviews here..I have just ordered the dvd from the library. I am 6th in line! Hope they watch it quickly!

[Perdita]

It was the comment about the furry dressings gowns and mad granny jewelery that made me splutter - spot on!

Lol! I actually wish that we could still dress like that.. jeans are so boring :p The costumes look quite Elizabethan to me, especially the men's.

[Perdita]

Due to the reviews here..I have just ordered the dvd from the library. I am 6th in line! Hope they watch it quickly!

You'll love it - if you don't take it too seriously and just enjoy it for the mad costumes, the impossibly handsome Cranmer and Anne Boleyn's suspiciously botox enhanced features you'll find it good fun. There are a few weepy bits in there as well though. All in all it's completely addictive :D

[nona]

if I remember right our Blockbuster has four copies of season one so I'll look into renting it first maybe buy later if it is any good

[Madeleine]

Season 2 is nowhere near as raunchy as Season 1! It can be a bit clunky, but generally it's very watchable and the costumes are fab. I'm 2 eps behind at the moment what with being on hols, it finishes soon so must catch up even though I know the ending!

[nona]

will there be a season 3?

[Perdita]

There will be a season 3 next year, I think. Joss Stone is Anne of Cleves!

[Divia]

Is season 2 out on DVD yet?

[Alaric]

October in the UK, December (after Christmas) in the States, probably after summer in Australia.

[Divia]

boo. Why would they wait till after X-Mas that foolish on their part I think. hmmm.

[Mara]

The programme has turned into a definite 'must watch' in our house. When we're away, we're recording it (or whatever you call that Sky programme saving option thingie). Alone for the lovely selection of male side characters :p and the triumph when you spot yet another gap in their research, intended or not. It's great fun to watch, though. Nothing more, nothing less. :D

However, I was watching the first episode of a new series called 'Merlin' last night. Aimed at kids (with no knowledge of history), I laughed so much in places that I'm not sure I'll be punishing myself again by watching another episode. Poor old Arthur...

[Tanzanite]

Here is a link to a picture of Joss Stone as Anne of Cleves.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/2008-10-02-coming-attractions_N.htm?csp=34

[nona]

I have a three day weekend and I got all the house work done and Season 1 of the Tudors, next two days are all mine. I started watching disc one, so far so good...

[EC2]

Here is a link to a picture of Joss Stone as Anne of Cleves.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/2008-10-02-coming-attractions_N.htm?csp=34

Hmmm.... A frumpy, harpsichord-playing, German virgin weirdo. I can't wait!:p

[amyb]

She actually looks really great as Anne...didn't see that coming.

[Perdita]

Joss Stone does look good. Anne Of Cleves was actually quite a beautiful woman according to her portrait. Just a bit frumpy, perhaps.

Did anyone else cry when Anne was beheaded?? The last episode was incredibly moving :(

[nona]

I'm watching season 1 this weekend, so far you guys were right I should have continued watching instead of giving up on the 2 episode. who plays Jane Seymour?....it wll be interesting to see who plays Cat Howard and Cathrine Parr

[Tanzanite]

Joss Stone does look good. Anne Of Cleves was actually quite a beautiful woman according to her portrait. Just a bit frumpy, perhaps.

Did anyone else cry when Anne was beheaded?? The last episode was incredibly moving :(


I bawled my eyes out - even though I knew what was coming. I thought she did a great job.

[Alaric]

who plays Jane Seymour?

Anita Briem.

[Divia]

I am so far behind because I havent seen any of the secnod season :(

[nona]

I decided I'm buying the Tudors whenever it comes out on DVD, and I can't wait.

[nona]

I sinished season 1, should have continued wacthing it on showtime a year ago but oh well. I felt sorry for Henry's sister, Cathrine too. I've never felt sorry for Wosley but by the end I kinda did having everyone turn thier back on him, just goes to prove court life as not a care-free luxury right.

[Madeleine]

I bawled my eyes out - even though I knew what was coming. I thought she did a great job.

I thought Anne's final scene was well-done too, and I liked the way the executioner organised it so that she didn't even realise the final blow was coming. Since reading The Other Boleyn Girl, and now seeing this series, I think Anne was very unfairly treated, she was a bit of a liability admittedly but Henry had such a knack of twisting and changing situations to suit himself that I think she was forced to act like that - a much maligned woman!:mad:

[Perdita]

In the last episode she asked if she could be sent to a nunnery and I thought good point but then remembered that the nunneries would have been destroyed by the Reformation.. unless she meant a nunnery in France :confused:

[princess garnet]

I wonder how much German that Joss Stone will have to speak for her role as Anne of Cleves--it'd add authenticity to the part!

[SonjaMarie]

In the new USA TVGuide (dated Oct 17 to Nov 2) there's a picture of Joss Stone dressed up in a costume as Anne of Cleves in front of a laptop. She looks very pretty, and the creator of the show says he doesn't buy the myth that Anne was ugly so I guess we get a pretty Anne.

SM

[Divia]

Well of the little I know of Tudor history..I dont think she was ugly either. Maybe not a huge looker, but a pleasant looking woman.

[nona]

I always thought she was pretty maybe not the flashy pretty, although Henry said she was ugly of course he might have been the only one.

[Carine]

I also thought she was quite pretty, but apparently the standards of "pretty" in those days were different than ours now.

[nona]

Well the painter and several people at court were noted saying she was pretty just not Henry's pretty

[nona]

second season is out Dec 30 on DVD, already took vacation for three days so I can catch up.

[Perdita]

Slightly embarrassing confession time - I bought the season 2 box set last week and gorged myself on all 10 episodes in 2 evenings! Sad or what :p

[Tinuviel]

I still have to wait until January for the box set to come out. *sulks* What did you think of the second season?

[nona]

Season 2 comes out tomorrow!! So over my four day Christmasbreak/weekend I am watching the whole season so I can catch up. What better Christmas present for myself then sitting and watching Henry VIII and his court while the kids and hubby enjoy their presents.

[Divia]

It comes out tomorrow for Americans? Rockin. I wondered why they wouldn't do it before Xmas to cash in on the sales n stuff.

[nona]

they pushed the release date to Jan 6 2009, ugh!!!

[diamondlil]

There is a Tudors sponsored quiz here (http://www.whothetudorareyou.com/)

I ended up being a Peasant, and lucky to be alive apparently!

[Alaric]

I'm a thief!

[sweetpotatoboy]

I'm a monk apparently!!!

[Madeleine]

There is a Tudors sponsored quiz here (http://www.whothetudorareyou.com/)

I ended up being a Peasant, and lucky to be alive apparently!

Me too, not an enticing prospect!:eek:

Beautifully designed site though.

[boswellbaxter]

I'm a nun! Morally pure, relatively well educated, and not horrendously filthy.

[princess garnet]

So am I! My job wasn't listed so I had to find one of things that I do as a librarian.

[nona]

I'm a peasant and so is my husband.

[Susan]

I'm a bishop!

[Amanda]

I am a bishop! A female bishop!

And my husband is a monk!

[ejays17]

I'm a nun, which I find amusing - especially the part about being the closest thing to a Nurse most people have. Although, I do like the bit about being clean...

[SonjaMarie]

I'm not going to say what I got, it's too embarassing!

SM

[SonjaMarie]

The 3rd season will start April 5th.

SM

[Tanzanite]

If you have Showtime on Demand, the season opener is already available. I watched it last night and thought it was pretty good.

[KaysK9s]

Hmm, so far mine sounds the worst - I'm an actress... which it says really means prostitute :eek:

[red805]

I'm a female bishop, and probably already dead & buried:p

[cw gortner]

If I say I'm in entertainment or publishing, I'm an actor - one step above a thief and at my age most certainly already dead.

If I say I'm in government, my day job, I'm a bishop.

Guess in Tudor times, I was saying the mass :)

[Tanzanite]

I'm a Duchess.

[Ellie]

I'm a prostitute and will be dead within 14 years...

[nona]

If I remember I was a peasant, so a bishop wouldn't be bad.

[SonjaMarie]

The Tudors Reigns for One More Season
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b118373_tudors_reigns_one_more_season.html?utm_sou rce=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

SM

[Suzanne Crowley]

Is it just me or is the actress who is playing Jane Seymour this season different than the actress that played her last season?

[SonjaMarie]

Is it just me or is the actress who is playing Jane Seymour this season different than the actress that played her last season?

She is, different actress. Last season she was played by Anita Briem, this season Annabelle Wallis, not sure why they changed the actress.

SM

[Tanzanite]

I read somewhere that the actress from last season didn't want to do nude scenes.

[zsigandr]

I noticed that the Jane in season 3 was different as well. I didn't realize that the reason may be due to the nudity, but I can understand that.

Although some of the history isn't exactly bang on, I do enjoy this series!

Looking forward to the next episode of Season 3,
Andrea

[Suzanne Crowley]

It looks like from the previews of next week's episode they are going to have Jane have a caesaeian which I don't believe was ever true. She died of perpurel fever. Oh well. I still LOVE watching the series.

[boswellbaxter]

There are some great posts on The Raucous Royals (http://blog.raucousroyals.com/) blog about what is fact and what is fiction in the various episodes (don't read the posts if you haven't seen the episode yet).

[SonjaMarie]

Joss Stone has agreed to return as Anne of Cleves in the final season of the series.

SM

[Suzanne Crowley]

I thought Joss Stone did a great job. Apparently, Anne was not necessarily ugly - it was a case of no sexual chemistry. I do think it is intriguing though, the longer nose that was revealed in an x-ray in one of her portraits.

[cw gortner]

She is, different actress. Last season she was played by Anita Briem, this season Annabelle Wallis, not sure why they changed the actress.
SM

Oh, gosh. I never even noticed! Go, figure. Well, Ms Wallis is certainly beautiful.

I agree, I think Joss Stone did a great job. Though the series often veers from fact (though it stayed pretty close to history toward the end of seasonn 2), I have to admit I enjoy it. The costuming and ambiance are gorgeous, and the Duke of Suffolk ain't bad, either. ;)

I could use less histrionic acting from Rhys Meyers but, hey, playing Henry VIII would tend to push you over the top.

[Suzanne Crowley]

Yes, the costuming and scenery are gorgeous. I spend half the time looking over the characters shoulders at the background. I wonder, did they really have that much fabric everywhere? Curtains in doorways, walls, lots of tapestries, rugs, lots more sumptous than I thought was true. Every scene in The Tudors looks like an old master painting and that's why I enjoy it so much! Just like the movie, Girl With a Pearl Earing - you just watch because it is so beautiful. So gorgeous. And yes they veer off history a lot, but other things, they get exceedingly correct. A scene will come up, and a quote will come to my mind of what really happened, and then wallah - the character says the actual line. And yes, Jonathan Rhys Meyers is over dramatic but so fun to watch! I guess much funner than what Henry really looked like (although when he was young he really was handsome it is said). My husband even watches with me and says many of the men at his work watch too, he was surprsied, they were talking about it at lunch.
And C.W., I have bought your book and have it in my TBR pile. The cover is so pretty!
Does anyone think Henry really said Anne looked like a "flanders mare?" I tend to think so, it sounds like him.

[princess garnet]

Does anyone think Henry really said Anne looked like a "flanders mare?"

No, there's no evidence that he did.

[pat]

I have just got into this show, having found the first series a while ago on Fox Showtime. I record them and watch when I am alone in the evening. I have just started series 2.

So far I am enjoying it! It might take a couple of weeks to watch one episode or I might get to watch 2 in one night!

I love the costumes! I am finding the acting absolutely superb, I only wish I had watched it before!

[boswellbaxter]

Anyone see the last episode of series 3 last night? I thought Cromwell's end was very moving, but the portrayal of Katherine Howard seemed really over the top. Surely one reason she got her head chopped off was because Henry had thought he was getting an innocent young girl as his wife, and her behavior with Harry in this episode was anything but innocent!

[Tanzanite]

I agree with you on both counts. Her behavior (and their behavior together) is certainly going to make the later claims against her and Henry's reactions to them seem rather absurd - especially since he had no other reason to want to be ride of her. I wonder what the writers were thinking. :confused:

[SonjaMarie]

Remember these are the same writers who decided Henry would not be a fat obese stinky man, that did away with one of his sisters, not to mention the Grey family line and Mary Queen of Scots (unless they find a interesting way to include them), and other historically inaccurate things.

SM

[Amanda]

I just watched the last episode last night.

I agree about Katherine being quite over the top. She seemed very ditzy, giggly, and also looked just vacant at times.

I thought Joss Stone was great as Anna of Cleves, and her part was well written too.

And the death of Cromwell! That was quite disturbing! When he knelt to the block and realised the state of the executioner...that was chilling.

[Madeleine]

Remember these are the same writers who decided Henry would not be a fat obese stinky man, that did away with one of his sisters, not to mention the Grey family line and Mary Queen of Scots (unless they find a interesting way to include them), and other historically inaccurate things.

SM

It has been said over here that when Henry was young, he was very handsome, athletic etc; obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that, but generally some experts say that Henry didn't always look like the famous Holbein portrait which is the pic that most people are familiar with; in his day he was quite a hunk (and being the king helped of course). Although I must admit that I thought it was a joke when I read that JRM was playing him.

[SonjaMarie]

That is true, but I meant in his older age, but the time he married Jane he was already quite big and stinking and one of the reasons Katherine Howard most likely cheated was because of how Henry looked and behaved. JRM is still looking quite hot as Henry despite the stinky wound on his leg.

SM

[Madeleine]

I'm off to Hever Castle tomorrow - weather permitting.

[Lady Macbeth]

I love the Tudors - it's like a guilty secret. Here in the UK, it shows at 9pm on a Friday evening which is perfect for a bit of escapism at the end of the working week. We've not yet had Series 3.

When this first aired, I tried to be a bit sniffy and moaned about the Georgian carriages, the radiators etc but was very quickly hooked and more than a little bit smitten with Charles Brandon. It's such a sumptuous adaptation - grossly inaccurate but then it's just meant to be entertainment. By now, Henry should be morbidly obese with a necrotic, oozing leg ulcer which would have stank beyond belief and instead we get a very fit JRM and his entourage and I'm really not complaining.

I recently attended an Alison Weir speech and someone in the audience, very bravely, asked what she thought of The Tudors and she had to confess that she loves it.

[Madeleine]

Well Hever was lovely, very interesting house and gorgeous gardens. Lots about Henry and Anne (naturally!) and the notice did say that when he was young he was very fit and handsome, although I must admit the early portraits still don't convince me! However it was a lovely day out, even the weather held and there was a great atmosphere with the children having a dressing up competition as knights and princesses and getting to parade before Henry who judged them all.

[Tanzanite]

A couple of the exhibits we saw in London has pictures of the young and fit Henry and I didn't see the "handsome" part either!

[Tanzanite]

Saw today that Joely Richardson is slated to play Katherine Parr next season:

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20090722showtime01

[Madeleine]

Well Season 3 is now halfway through and we've just had the death of Jane Seymour. Actually I thought it was quite moving, and the last scene where Jane is lying in state in the cathedral with all the candles round her was beautifully filmed (much better than the overhead shots in "Elizabeth" which just gave me vertigo), and the music was gorgeous. Best things about this series really - the visuals and the music.

[SonjaMarie]

From TV.com:
The Tudors — Showtime, premiering April 11
The final season of cable's most lavish program will conclude the decadent life of Henry VIII. Spoiler alert: He dies. Who will have their head chopped off? Who will Henry bed? Who will be bedded by Henry and then have their head chopped off? These answers and more on the next season of The Tudors!

SM

[Madeleine]

From TV.com:
The Tudors — Showtime, premiering April 11
The final season of cable's most lavish program will conclude the decadent life of Henry VIII. Spoiler alert: He dies. Who will have their head chopped off? Who will Henry bed? Who will be bedded by Henry and then have their head chopped off? These answers and more on the next season of The Tudors!

SM

You don't say!:)

[Divia]

OMG the entire series is ruined for me now. He dies? GOD. :p

I was hoping they would go into Mary's reign but I guess its not as naughty.

Overall, I have enjoyed this series, and I do hope they go to another historical time. *cough Catherine the Great Cough*

[SonjaMarie]

You guys funny, ha ha! Here's another spoiler: THE TITANIC SUNK! ;)

SM

[nona]

I really enjoyed the HBO series Rome, the scenes and so forth were great but Showtimes Tudors fell very short with me. I only watched one or two episodes if that, too mush sex and BS for my taste.

Starz has a new show Sparticus:Blood and Glory starting on Jan 22 I'll try it and see what it is like. Seems to me a mix of Rome and Gladiator but I like the era so I'll give it a go.

[Jemidar]

There is a Tudors sponsored quiz here (http://www.whothetudorareyou.com/)

I ended up being a Peasant, and lucky to be alive apparently!

Just catching up with this thread now, and I turned out to be a Tudor prostitute :eek:.

Apparently this series has been shown on Foxtel here in Australia, but as I don't have Foxtel I'm now just catching up with the DVDs. I'm about three episodes into Season Two.

Season One grated a bit, JRM as Henry took some getting used to, as did all the inaccuracies and anachronisms (especially Mary/Margaret's obvious boob job...lol) but Season Two looks to be shaping up better. I think Natalie Dormer is a good Anne and humanizes her somewhat. And I'm definitely enjoying the eye candy :-).

Although I think it really should've been called The Tudors: The Soap Opera, it's good fun. And definitely a guilty secret!

[nona]

ok so I'm playing catch since I have not watched but a few from the first season. I guess I'm at the end of season 2 now with Anne being beheaded. I must say I wish I had watched this when it came out. I like the 2 season more...politics, drama, intrigue abounds and less sex, more story. Anyhow I must say I actually feel pity for Anne, this show or maybe just good casting in my opinion has brought to life the times, though harsh, and trials of life, literally in Anne's case, to light. Cannot wait to watch the rest...thank goodness for DVR!

[SonjaMarie]

I saw a trailer for it tonight on TV and thought it looked good, though it mainly showed Katherine Howard and nothing that I could say was of Parr.

SM

[Jemidar]

You can find YouTube videos for Season 4 here:-

http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/behind-the-scenes-of-the-tudors-season-4/4753/ (http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/behind-the-scenes-of-the-tudors-season-4/4753/)

and

http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/official-tudors-season-4-trailer/4749/ (http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/official-tudors-season-4-trailer/4749/)

Jolie Richardson is playing Katherine Parr. Must say it looks good but we probably won't see it here anytime soon :(.

[Madeleine]

Oh yes, definitely to be filed under guilty pleasure!

[SonjaMarie]

Jolie Richardson is playing Katherine Parr. Must say it looks good but we probably won't see it here anytime soon :(.


Ok I did see a glimpse of her, I got distracted when she was on.

SM

[nona]

my eyes watered at Anne's death....I couldn't help it even though I wanted to hate her I just couldn't.

[Madeleine]

Have you got to Jane Seymour's death yet, nona?

[nona]

not yet, I'm as far as Anne B death. I haven't had time to watch anymore and probably wont till next week or so.

[Jemidar]

my eyes watered at Anne's death....I couldn't help it even though I wanted to hate her I just couldn't.

Just wondering why you wanted to hate Anne?

[nona]

I guess hate is too strong a word but I really don't care for Anne, though interestingly as she is I disagree with how she manipulated her way to the top, offing men at her whim and churchs. Henry had issues and she did too and together they were a melting pot, she had no right what so ever to dethrone Catherine who by far was a better woman from any angle. Anne was nothing but an over grown brat used to getting her way and as Queen it only got worse.

of Henry's wives Catherine of Aragon would be the one I would back. Granted the Boleyn family is interesting, played high stakes roulette with the members of the family and some lost more then others anyhow of the family I find Mary, Anne's sister the most interesting. She bore the king a child, was sister to Queen Anne and to George and when the family went down between Anne and Kathryn Howard she only remained (of the immediate family). Her story would be a great one to hear.

[Jemidar]

I guess hate is too strong a word but I really don't care for Anne, though interestingly as she is I disagree with how she manipulated her way to the top, offing men at her whim and churchs. Henry had issues and she did too and together they were a melting pot, she had no right what so ever to dethrone Catherine who by far was a better woman from any angle. Anne was nothing but an over grown brat used to getting her way and as Queen it only got worse.

of Henry's wives Catherine of Aragon would be the one I would back. Granted the Boleyn family is interesting, played high stakes roulette with the members of the family and some lost more then others anyhow of the family I find Mary, Anne's sister the most interesting. She bore the king a child, was sister to Queen Anne and to George and when the family went down between Anne and Kathryn Howard she only remained (of the immediate family). Her story would be a great one to hear.


I think Henry and Cromwell might've also had something to do with dethroning Katherine :p. And Henry certainly didn't stop offing wives once Anne was gone, so you do have to wonder how much of it was actually due to her influence.

Of all the wives, Anne seems to get the worst rap. Most historians agree that the charges she was executed for were trumped up and many debate whether she actually had anything to do with Wolsey's downfall. Yes, she had issues (who doesn't?) but I've always thought of Henry as the spoilt brat...and he only got worse as he got older! Anne certainly didn't have anything to do with how he treated his later wives, which was also appalling!

One of the reasons why I liked Natalie Dormer's portrayal of Anne was because she was quite sympathetic even though it didn't gloss over her faults. It presented her as a human being caught in difficult times and situations. What choices did she really have? Of course, to make Anne's story interesting the writer's presented rumour and hearsay as fact, but what's a little historical inaccuracy between friends :rolleyes:.

And yes Mary Boleyn is an interesting figure (I hated her portrayal in The Tudors as this mealy mouthed girl) particularly if she did give it all up and marry Henry Stafford for love. There are several books around about her, both fiction (most famously The Other Boleyn Girl) and non-fiction, and they're easy enough to get hold of. Some are also reputed to be historically accurate ;).


Katherine of Aragon is also an interesting figure, but that's for another post :D.

[Tanzanite]

The fourth season premier episode has been posted by Showtime on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e2im07CczQ&feature=player_embedded#

[princess garnet]

In time for the final season, "USA Today" ran an article (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2010-04-08-tudors08_CV_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip) on it. Nothing new but it's a quick overview of Tudor mania.

[nona]

so I'm recording the new/final season so I can watch, I saw Kathryn Howard at the end of the last season and is it me or is the casting a little off? I can't picture her being Henry's Rose without a Thorn, I guess I get a piture in my head while reading about them and then when I see the show/movie I feel they should have casted them differently.

[SonjaMarie]

I agree, Nona. She didn't seem to me the "innocent" Henry thought her to be, more like the slut (my opinion) she was.

We're watching the first episode tonight.

SM

[nona]

esp that scene with her and Henry's ring, hmmph! innocent indeed not!

I'm interested in seeing Cathrine Parr. Do you think they'll follow up with an Elizabeth I series? they should as I would be interested in Mary and Elizabeth's future, though I know from reading it it is fun to watch.

[SonjaMarie]

esp that scene with her and Henry's ring, hmmph! innocent indeed not!


Uh oh, Harm is still 17 (18 in June), should I make her close her eyes?

SM

[nona]

she rubs his ring up her thigh in a very provacative manner and then shows her laying naked on the bed and henry resting his head on her rear. So it depends on your sensorship.

[Jemidar]

so I'm recording the new/final season so I can watch, I saw Kathryn Howard at the end of the last season and is it me or is the casting a little off? I can't picture her being Henry's Rose without a Thorn, I guess I get a piture in my head while reading about them and then when I see the show/movie I feel they should have casted them differently.

Wasn't Henry the only one who thought she was an innocent at the time? I've always thought everyone else had a good idea what she was, but he was so enamored of her that they just agreed with him...so maybe the casting isn't too bad.

Only seen the trailer myself, so will have to wait and see.

[Madeleine]

Read today that the Tudors team are now turning their hand to King Arthur, with filming due to start on a series based on "La Morte d'Arthur". Stars include Eva Green (Casino Royale) and the apparently up-and-coming Brit, Jamie Campbell Bower, as Arthur (he's in New Moon and the final Harry Potters), and possible Joseph Fiennes as Merlin - guess he's free now that Flashforward has been cancelled.

[sweetpotatoboy]

Read today that the Tudors team are now turning their hand to King Arthur, with filming due to start on a series based on "La Morte d'Arthur". Stars include Eva Green (Casino Royale) and the apparently up-and-coming Brit, Jamie Campbell Bower, as Arthur (he's in New Moon and the final Harry Potters), and possible Joseph Fiennes as Merlin - guess he's free now that Flashforward has been cancelled.

Ooh, look forward to that. I thought the BBC's recent Merlin series is quite big in the US, so a bit surprised we have another Arthurian drama on the way. Although Merlin was far removed from the traditional stories, so hopefully this one will be closer.

[SonjaMarie]

I'm catching up on "The Tudors" and just watched Episode 3 and find it ludicrous that Henry would ever want to sleep with Anne of Cleves during his marriage to Katherine Howard. I suppose it's in the realm of possibilty but I would hope such a thing wasn't allowed to happen to Anne!

SM

[Matt Phillips]

I really enjoyed the HBO series Rome, the scenes and so forth were great but Showtimes Tudors fell very short with me. I only watched one or two episodes if that, too mush sex and BS for my taste.


I feel the same way. First Henry's sister is a composite character, plus the compression of events (which is to be understood on TV, to a certain extent, but it was too much here), and a young, fit and healthy Henry in perpetuity - it was all too much for my suspension of disbelief.

I liked "Rome" much more and am excited to hear there will be a movie. I don't have the impression there were nearly as many inaccuracies in that series as in "The Tudors," but I'm less familiar with the time period in the case of "Rome."

[nona]

well I agree Rome seemed more acurate but like you I'm not familiar with the period either though I've read enough to know I like it :} The new Borgias looks good, starts in 2011 to take up Tudors slot on Showtime, I might be wrong cause yet again I know nothing of the Borgias.

[Amanda]

I'm catching up on "The Tudors" and just watched Episode 3 and find it ludicrous that Henry would ever want to sleep with Anne of Cleves during his marriage to Katherine Howard. I suppose it's in the realm of possibilty but I would hope such a thing wasn't allowed to happen to Anne!

SM

That whole scenario made me laugh when I saw it!

The execution of Francis Dereham in particular was quite gruesome.

[SonjaMarie]

That whole scenario made me laugh when I saw it!

The execution of Francis Dereham in particular was quite gruesome.

Yeah we watched that a few days ago, I had to look away.

SM

[Tanzanite]

I'm catching up on "The Tudors" and just watched Episode 3 and find it ludicrous that Henry would ever want to sleep with Anne of Cleves during his marriage to Katherine Howard. I suppose it's in the realm of possibilty but I would hope such a thing wasn't allowed to happen to Anne!

SM

They aren't the first to suggest it though.

[SonjaMarie]

They aren't the first to suggest it though.

Oh I know there were stories that he was thinking of remarrying her, but I don't recall hearing that they ever had sex.

SM

[nona]

really?? Glad they didn't remarry

[Madeleine]

Just read that "The Tudors" won't be shown in the UK til next year - not fair, not fair!

[Madeleine]

Final series of The Tudors starts next Sat on BBC2, hooray. More glorious escapism and pretty costumes.

[SonjaMarie]

I still have 5 episodes of the last season to watch, I'll get around to it eventually!

SM

[LoobyG]

Final series of The Tudors starts next Sat on BBC2, hooray. More glorious escapism and pretty costumes.

About time too, hurrah! I'll look forward to it :)

[princess garnet]

Last night I saw promos for the "Tudors" which will on BBC America starting later this month.

[rockygirl]

BBC America is starting officially tonight, I think. They played the second season as a marathon on Monday. (Oh the joys of being a public school teacher with federal holidays off).

[Amanda]

I just saw on a new site that Henry Cavill who played CHarles Brandon in the Tudors has been cast as the new Superman.

Apparently he has previously narrowly missed out on being James Bond (Casino Royale) and Batman (Batman Returns).

[Madeleine]

I just saw on a new site that Henry Cavill who played CHarles Brandon in the Tudors has been cast as the new Superman.

Apparently he has previously narrowly missed out on being James Bond (Casino Royale) and Batman (Batman Returns).

Bit young I would imagine! He's still only in his 20s now - makes me feel a bit old:rolleyes:! Good for him though on getting to play the Man of Steel.

[Jemidar]

Bit young I would imagine! He's still only in his 20s now - makes me feel a bit old:rolleyes:! Good for him though on getting to play the Man of Steel.


Yes, that's what I heard, they thought he was too young for James Bond.

Phew!! The thought that we might never have seen Danial Craig in the role is terrifying :eek:.

[LoveHistory]

I've got the first disc of season 1 and will be watching it soon.

[Madeleine]

Is it me or is Henry getting more Irish with every ep of season 4? Last week I fell about laughing every time he spoke - nothing wrong with the Irish accent, it's lovely - but just so out of place especially as he only had a slight lilt before. The execution scenes were well done though, and the best thing about the Tudors is that it doens't have great crashing waves of music during the dramatic bits - in fact, it often goes for complete silence; much more powerful.

[rockygirl]

Is it me or is Henry getting more Irish with every ep of season 4? Last week I fell about laughing every time he spoke - nothing wrong with the Irish accent, it's lovely - but just so out of place especially as he only had a slight lilt before. The execution scenes were well done though, and the best thing about the Tudors is that it doens't have great crashing waves of music during the dramatic bits - in fact, it often goes for complete silence; much more powerful.

I couldn't put my finger on what was wrong, but yes, you're right!

[Nefret]

I still haven't seen season 4. :o

[rockygirl]

I still haven't seen season 4. :o

I thought it was the weakest season, but you'll decide for yourself.

[Amanda]

And they tried to get him to age his voice over the last couple of episodes. That made me laugh!

[Divia]

I still haven't seen season 4. :o

Nor have i. Its in my queue at blockbuster.

I thought it was the weakest season, but you'll decide for yourself.

Someone else said that as well. One of my friends didnt like it at all.

[Nefret]

And they tried to get him to age his voice over the last couple of episodes. That made me laugh!

Now I am curious how they tried that.

[Divia]

Did they give him a fat suit too?

[Nefret]

Did they give him a fat suit too?

Not so far as I know. He did get a beard though.

[LoobyG]

And grey tinged hair :rolleyes: Charles Brandon looked very well too saying he was about 60 when he died! I thought the way they did the execution sequences in the series was one of its strongest points, Anne Boleyn's was terribly sad.

[fljustice]

I finally gave in to Tudormania recently. I resisted for years because I felt the Tudor era has been done to death (and I went through my Tudor phase a couple of decades before and had moved on in my interests.) But through the wonders of streaming Netflix and our first wide-screen TV, I got hooked. Definitely an over-the-top guilty pleasure. My memory of events was hazy enough that only the most blatant inaccuracies jumped out at me. And I did pause the show to look up "the sweating sickness"--very mysterious! Finished the first two seasons and now have to wait for the disks for season three.

[LoveHistory]

Finished the first two episodes. Not history, but certainly fun to watch.

[LoveHistory]

Ok, I know it's only entertainment, but Princess Margaret? Are you kidding me? The King of Portugal? This is sooooo wrong!

[Jemidar]

Oh yeah, wasn't that awful. It bugged the hell out of me too. Don't you just love it when the powers that be assume you're too stupid to keep track of more than one character called Mary?

To me the worst thing about Margaret/Mary though wasn't all the historical inaccuracies that she encompassed, but her very obvious and anachronistic breast implants :eek:.

[LoveHistory]

And the fact that her dresses were different in style from everyone else's at court. She was working that naughty, off the shoulder look at first. I can't quite place the style but I'm thinking Italian and possibly from another century.

I could have forgiven the Portugal thing, and even how she got out of it, if only they'd used the right princess. Margaret was married to the King of Scotland (Malcolm, I think?) before her brother Henry even took the throne. I suppose instead they made Mary "Queen of Scots." ;)

I have to keep watching now to see what else they messed up. Plus the costumes are pretty.

[boswellbaxter]

As I recall, they also had Mary/Margaret die without having had any children by Charles Brandon, which would have put the writers in an awkward position had they continued the series past the death of Henry VIII. Hard to put Lady Jane Grey on the throne if you've written her mother out of existence . . .

[LoveHistory]

Margaret has died of consumption. Leaving the rest of the storyline aside, I thought it was interesting that Henry get upset because Brandon never told him that she was sick. I didn't get the impression that Brandon knew she was sick.

They're doing some nice set up with Thomas More.

[LoveHistory]

Ok I've finished the first season. Must say I'm impressed with Sam Neill's Wolsey. I think he did a fantastic job with the role. Nice little side-step they did around history without completely blowing it on his death. Though I seem to recall that Anne was already queen when he died in reality. Perhaps I'm mistaken.

I am hooked now. Must get season two.

[princess garnet]

Ok I've finished the first season. Must say I'm impressed with Sam Neill's Wolsey. I think he did a fantastic job with the role. Nice little side-step they did around history without completely blowing it on his death. Though I seem to recall that Anne was already queen when he died in reality. Perhaps I'm mistaken.

I am hooked now. Must get season two.

He died in an Augustinian monastery in real life.

[LoveHistory]

I didn't even notice the setting they had for his death scene. There was a crucifix though so it could have been a monastery. But the time and circumstances were off. Of course they covered the circumstances issue by having Henry say that no one must ever know.

[Jemidar]

I am hooked now. Must get season two.

I was the same :D.

[Nefret]

Finally borrowed season 4. :) Now I want to own it.

[Jemidar]

I need to get hold of Season 4 too!

[Nefret]

As to the quiz... I got Lady-in-waiting.

Henry does sound Irish.

[LoveHistory]

Quiz? What quiz? Did I miss something?

[Madeleine]

Season 4 has almost finished here, about 3 to go. I think it's the weakest series so far, although it also manages to be the funniest, especially when Henry goes all Oirish - no offence to the Irish, but it just sounds completely out of place, especially as he wasn't like that in the first 3 series!

[Perdita]

Season 4 has almost finished here, about 3 to go. I think it's the weakest series so far, although it also manages to be the funniest, especially when Henry goes all Oirish - no offence to the Irish, but it just sounds completely out of place, especially as he wasn't like that in the first 3 series!

Haha, I know what you mean about the accents! The guy who plays the Earl of Surrey sounds American. And I'm sure in one episode Hertford said 'we was' instead of 'we were.'
They lost a lot of good actors along the way.. James Frain, Natalie Dormer, etc. Henry's fault for executing their characters of course! Gripes aside I'm still enjoying it.

[Nefret]

Just purchased the first and second seasons. :D

[Amanda]

My DH gave me the 1-3 boxed set of blurays for our anniversary.

[Nefret]

Finished watching it. I liked seasons 1 and 2 better.

They tried to age him a lot in a couple episodes.

[Madeleine]

And he still only looks about 35!

[Madeleine]

Ah well, onto the penultimate episode now (halfway through it) and it just gets dafter - now they're showing Henry as being older by making JRM deepen his voice, so he sounds like he has a very bad cold, and the scene where he and the Spanish chap (can never remember his name) are hobbling around each other as if they were competing with each other was priceless. It's becoming more like a Monty Python sketch every week.

[Madeleine]

Watched the last ep last night, it became increasingly surreal and plodded a bit. In a weird way, I shall miss it, often it was the funniest show of the week!

[fljustice]

I know I'm late to this discussion, but avoided "The Tudors" like the plague for a couple of years and finally succumbed. Liked the first two seasons, but yawned through the third. The best part was the Tudor timeline on the DVD where a historian (too) briefly described what was going on during the various episodes and put it in context. I was thinking about not doing the final season, but might, after all, for the laughs.

[sweetpotatoboy]

Jonathan Rhys Meyers has just been hospitalised after an apparent suicide bid....

[SonjaMarie]

Jonathan Rhys Meyers has just been hospitalised after an apparent suicide bid....

I read about that, some spokesperson is saying that it wasn't a suicide attempt, but regardless, I hope he gets better!

SM

[fljustice]

Finally got around to watching the final season on Netflix streaming. The aging process was absurd. Wished I'd gotten the DVD's so I could check out the timeline again. Now I'll have to look it up my self. BTW, Joely Richardson is still a stunning woman!

[rebecca]

I watched this show ages ago and was rather surprised that I did like 'The Tudors' but I watched it for purely entertainment reasons(which was just as well-The producers messed around with the facts). What I did find disappointing was that the Duke of Norfolk simply disappeared from the show entirely!

What makes the show work was the great casting...Sam Neil as Wosley, Jeremy Northam(played a brilliant Thomas More)The actor who played Thomas Boleyn also did a marvelous job and Natalie Dormer played Anne beautifully-I would say that it is Natalie's portrayal of Anne Boleyn that will be remembered by many, she did a magnificent job. I also liked JRM's portrayal of Henry VIII and the scene which really sticks in my memory was when Henry is arguing with God about the execution of Thomas More. The reason why I think JRM did a good job was that he does not have Henry's bulk or height not even his colouring and yet the actor was able to convey an atmosphere of menace with just a simple look from his cold eyes.

The weakest part of the show was the fourth season. It may be my own interpretation but I had the feeling that JRM was simply tired of playing Henry and I got fed up with Catherine Howards incessant giggling which got on my nerves no end.

I also thought the actor who played Thomas Cromwell was also very good(forget his name?) and Joss Stone did very well as Anne of Cleves as did Joely Richardson as Catherine Parr.

I bought seasons 1-3 but I didn't buy the fourth as I simply can't endure Catherine's giggling ackkk.

All in all I'd rate it ****1/2 stars out of five.

Bec:)

[Divia]

Catherine did giggle a lot. I made it through it once but I doubt I could watch it again.

[Madeleine]

James Frain played Thomas Cromwell. The 4th season started off OK but after about the halfway point it just got sillier and sillier.

I agree that Sam Neill and Jeremy Northam were both excellent, the show lost some of it's sparkle when they went out of it.

[rebecca]

James Frain! That's his name. I could picture his face but couldn't remember the actors name.

I agree with you about the exit of Neill and Northam. It wasn't the 'hot actors' who made the show but the excellent acting and when Natalie exited the show did go downhill....I also forgot to mention Sarah Bolger who I thought played a very sympathetic Mary Tudor and I liked the actress who played Catherine of Aragon(I am terrible with names).

All in all it was a good show but I simply cannot endure season 4....

Bec:) PS: I did not know about JRM if it's true I hope he gets help.

[Nefret]

I didn't really liked season 4 either.

[Madeleine]

Oh yes Catherine of Aragon was excellent - Maria Doyle Kennedy, an Irish actress who's just been in Dexter and I think will be in the next series of Downton Abbey.

I agree Sarah Bolger was good, but personally I always found Mary a bit prissy.

[rebecca]

Nefret--I didn't like season 4 either.

While I was watching it, I just had the feeling that JRM was bored with the role, and perhaps after the 3rd one finished, he had simply had enough and it showed on season 4. I wont be buying it because it is simply not up to the standard of the preceding Seasons.

Madeleine....
Thats her! Maria Doyle Kennedy....She is now in Dexter? I hate that show! But I love Downtown Abbey and can't wait for the second season to be released on DVD. I also love the theme to that show. Downtown Abbey simply sumptuous.:D

As for Mary being prissy I think she was which was a miracle considering the times she lived in...But I always have felt some sympathy for her, in that her father really did ruin her life. I think Sarah did a good job and portrayed her sympathetically on screen.

Bec:)

[Susan]

I just discovered late last week that BBC America is showing "The Tudors." Although my daughter said I'd be screaming at the television if I watched it, I decided to DVR it and give it a try. I have about 2/3 of season 2 and I will have all of season 3. Tonight I watched 2 episodes. It doesn't matter if I missed season 1 and part of season 2. I have a feeling that season one is when I'd be screaming a lot. I know what's happened and been happening and can figure out who people are. I came in right after Elizabeth was born and Thomas More has just lost his head as I ended.

So far the only thing that upset me was some guy was playing a modern-day violin and he wasn't wearing a shirt, maybe he wasn't wearing anything. I am sure violins did not look like that in 1533 and I don't know who the guy was. (Does anyone know who he is? Mark Smeaton?)

My husband came in while I was watching and said, "Oh, you're watching all those Tudors you DVRed and you're not yelling." He previously had commented that I had way too many episodes on the DVR...I think it was 17 episodes because I DVRed a few two times. I think he was worried that he wouldn't have enough space to DVR English soccer games and Wolf Blitzer on CNN. I think he is the only person in the world to DVR Wolf Blitzer!

Sorry for the rambling post. I think The Tudors did that to me!

[rebecca]

I just discovered late last week that BBC America is showing "The Tudors." Although my daughter said I'd be screaming at the television if I watched it, I decided to DVR it and give it a try. I have about 2/3 of season 2 and I will have all of season 3. Tonight I watched 2 episodes. It doesn't matter if I missed season 1 and part of season 2. I have a feeling that season one is when I'd be screaming a lot. I know what's happened and been happening and can figure out who people are. I came in right after Elizabeth was born and Thomas More has just lost his head as I ended.

So far the only thing that upset me was some guy was playing a modern-day violin and he wasn't wearing a shirt, maybe he wasn't wearing anything. I am sure violins did not look like that in 1533 and I don't know who the guy was. (Does anyone know who he is? Mark Smeaton?)

My husband came in while I was watching and said, "Oh, you're watching all those Tudors you DVRed and you're not yelling." He previously had commented that I had way too many episodes on the DVR...I think it was 17 episodes because I DVRed a few two times. I think he was worried that he wouldn't have enough space to DVR English soccer games and Wolf Blitzer on CNN. I think he is the only person in the world to DVR Wolf Blitzer!

Sorry for the rambling post. I think The Tudors did that to me!

If you watch 'The Tudors' for pure entertainment then you'll probably enjoy it. But if you watch it with an eye for factual detail, it will probably drive you crazy. There are so many instances of 'this didnt happen'...for instance Princess Margaret Tudor marrying the French (or was it Portugese in the show?)King and then marrying Charles Brandon...When it was Princess Mary Tudor who married the King of France.....Geesh it's coming to something when I can't remember the mistakes in the show:eek: I put it down to the heat...It's about 100 F degree's here:eek: and it will be 110 tomorrow ackkk. Now I'm rambling....But one of the best performers was Jeremy Northam as Thomas More and I loved Natalie Dormer as Anne Boleyn.

Bec:)

[Susan]

If you watch 'The Tudors' for pure entertainment then you'll probably enjoy it. But if you watch it with an eye for factual detail, it will probably drive you crazy. There are so many instances of 'this didnt happen'...for instance Princess Margaret Tudor marrying the French (or was it Portugese in the show?)King and then marrying Charles Brandon...When it was Princess Mary Tudor who married the King of France.....Geesh it's coming to something when I can't remember the mistakes in the show:eek: I put it down to the heat...It's about 100 F degree's here:eek: and it will be 110 tomorrow ackkk. Now I'm rambling....But one of the best performers was Jeremy Northam as Thomas More and I loved Natalie Dormer as Anne Boleyn.

I've tolerated 6 episodes so far. That Margaret/Mary stuff would have driven me crazy. I started with episode 4 of season 2, so Margaret/Mary was long gone. I agree with your best performers! Wikipedia has a section which they call "Departures from History" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tudors#Departures_from_history

[SonjaMarie]

My goodness Bec, where are you, that it's that hot?? Australia?

SM

[Madeleine]

My goodness Bec, where are you, that it's that hot?? Australia?

SM

I was wondering the same thing, tell us Bec! Sounds a nightmare:eek:

[rebecca]

I was wondering the same thing, tell us Bec! Sounds a nightmare:eek:

LOL SM & Madeleine:p
it is a nightmare and it is super hot today....And yep it is 110 degrees here in boiling hot Australia. It is so hot that we have our doggies inside or else they'd perish in this heat and thank God for A/C's. I also bought my dog, Barney a baby pool so when he does go out for his toilet he loves jumping in his pool for a splash:p...H'es a black lab and a real goofball.

And to Susan...There are so many good performances that it is hard to name just two...I thought the actor who played Thomas Boleyn was also very good and Maria Doyle Kennedy was an excellent Katherine of Aragon...Then of course there is James Frain..Sam Neill...But I did find that as the good actors had to exit the show went down hill, unfortunately and series 4 was painful to endure. But I suppose others loved it!

Bec:)

[Madeleine]

Yep series 4 was pretty tortuous at times, I just treated it as a comedy which sort of worked for me! Hope you and your doggies are keeping cool OK.

[rebecca]

Yep series 4 was pretty tortuous at times, I just treated it as a comedy which sort of worked for me! Hope you and your doggies are keeping cool OK.

After enduring Season 4 of the Tudors I got the impression that even JRM was tired of the show and once all the good actors left, there was no saving it. I bought Seasons 1--3 of the Tudors but I wont buy season 4...I simply cannot endure the torture of it and all that incessant giggling!

As for the temps..It's in the 100's again today:(...I am not venturing outside or else I'd feel like a chicken on a rotisserie...and yep my dogs are staying indoors.

Bec:)

[Susan]

I just finished season 2 today and watched the first episode of season 3. I noticed that BBC America has the first episode of season 4 coming up. I will DVR it and will bear in mind the opinions people have of season 4 when I watch it. ;)

[rebecca]

I just finished season 2 today and watched the first episode of season 3. I noticed that BBC America has the first episode of season 4 coming up. I will DVR it and will bear in mind the opinions people have of season 4 when I watch it. ;)

I'll look forward to reading your views on Season 4, Susan.

Bec:)